Talk:Peter Prevc

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Peter Prevc/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 16:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I will be reviewing this against the GA criteria as part of a GAN sweep. I'll leave some comments soon. JAGUAR  16:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Checking against the GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   No original research found. AGF for offline sources

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   NPOV

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

This is well written, comprehensive and all of the sources check out. I couldn't find any issues to raise so I'll pass it outright. Well done! JAGUAR  16:37, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

To-do list before another FAC

Following the FAC nomination that was closed in February, I identified the following issues that should be addressed before I nominate the article again. Everyone is welcome to contribute.

• find a reliable reference for the number of jumps over 230 and 240 m. Also, as Prevc has 12 jumps over 240 and Kraft 10, this is not "by far the most of anyone" (thus should be removed). (removed as unsourced)
• do we have something solid on Prevc's jumping style etc.? For example, Domen is known for his extreme tilt during the flight, Peter just has a very good technique?
• it seems we need a Personal life paragraph in order to have the article not consist only of the sport results. In the previous iterations, what this section had was that he is a fan of NK Maribor (since removed as trivial), that he is viewed as a role model (removed as POV), that his sister also trains ski jumping (removed as out of the article focus, but perhaps still relevant for the Early life section). Here, we can add that he is employed as a policeman (as many sportspeople are), what his hobbies are, that he had a orthodontic jaw surgery in 2013, that he had the nickname "Mišica" at some point, anything else?
• there may be other issues people may find, feel free to add.

When we sort these issues out, I think the article should be ready. --Tone 15:41, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

You wont find a source for the number of jumps over 230m, its taken from the List of ski jumps over 230 metres which is one huge unsourced original research article, the creator of the article simply lists his own rules what should be included and what not ( trial rounds / training / falls / even test jumpers etc.), so the article should have been deleted in the first place. There is this article, but this is of course not updated after every match so its useless. There is also this, but its obviously taken from Wikipedia. Snowflake91 (talk) 16:13, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

In this case, we should remove it from this article. Probably, each jump could be sourced to the particular competition, but this would not guarantee that the list is exhaustive. --Tone 16:22, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

• A note on "by far the most of anyone", since I originally added it some time ago: at the time of writing it was indeed a true statistic, but within a year Kraft has reeled off a heapload of 240m+ jumps, so that's why it was kind of forgotten about and became stale. I have no objection to it being removed, but I will search for sources that say Prevc is a ski flying specialist—it would be ludicrous not to mention that, since it's one of his most well-known accolades.

• Regarding the lists of 230m+/240m+ jumps, I can only say that once upon a time there existed a handful of sites (non-FIS affiliated; they've long had some kind of issue against promoting ski flying stats) which kept an updated list of figures, but they've either become defunct or consolidated into other sites. Nonetheless I can totally see the WP:OR issues at hand, which is a shame because us fans of the sport adore such stats.

• I can assure you folks that User:Sportomanokin has not acted in bad faith by "listing his own rules" and such—he's merely going by what the FIS and event organisers have set in stone over the decades, regarding all the minutiae of what counts/does not count as an official jump. The main problem is that sources tend to be scarce or hard to dig for (non-English sites, etc.) If they end up getting AfD'ed, I'd at least like a chance to salvage them using some FIS competition sources (mainly the PDF reports). Let me know. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:21, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Great! You're right, we should write somewhere that Prevc performs best in flying and somewhat weaker in normal hills (with sources) - point two above. As for the list, there are some sources that can cover a bulk of achievements, so it is on the safe side - but needs work. --Tone 18:34, 17 November 2017 (UTC)