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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

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RM, Persian people → Persian speakers, No consensus, 25 June 2008, Talk:Persians/Archive 5#Requested move
RM, Persian people → Persians, No consensus, 3 January 2014, Talk:Persians/Archive 7#Requested move 03 January 2014
RM, Persian people → Persians, ~~No consensus~~, 15 July 2019, Talk:Persians#Requested move 15 July 2019
- MRV, overturned to moved, 22 August 2019, Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2019 July#Persian people

PERSIAN PEOPLE ARE IRANIAN PEOPLE

Article is so convoluted it makes no sense. Article needs a complete overhaul, one hopefully that puts to rest the idea that "Persian" people aren't just plain old fashioned Iranians.

Norwegians don't call themselves 'Vikings' and Italians don't call themselves 'Romans'. I think I pretty much made my point.

Changes to link

Consider adding Afghanistan/Tajikistans Tajiks as "Persians" ===Related groups=== There are several ethnic groups and communities which are either ethnically or linguistically related to the Persian people, living predominantly in Iran, and also within Afghanistan, the Caucasus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.<ref>{{cite web|year=2005|title=SociolinguistEssex X – 2005|publisher=[[Essex University]]|page=10|url=http://www.essex.ac.uk/langling/documents/slx/slx_x_programme.pdf}}</ref> to ===Related groups=== There are several ethnic groups and communities which are either ethnically or linguistically related to the Persian people, living predominantly in Iran, and also within Afghanistan, the Caucasus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.<ref>{{cite web|year=2005|title=SociolinguistEssex X – 2005|publisher=[[University of Essex]]|page=10|url=http://www.essex.ac.uk/langling/documents/slx/slx_x_programme.pdf}}</ref>

Sorry, didn't work as intended. Consider changing the publisher parameter from Essex University to University of Essex

Again, it has been made a point that the Persian ethnicity does not exist in the Persian language. Instead, Persian equates to Persian speaker or "Farsi zaban". Tajiks or Persians of Afghanistan and Tajikistan identify as the same. They identify from the city they come for e.g."Herati" or "Kabuli". I want to clarify that this is indicative of this article in Persian itself. You can see that a Persian is referred to as Persian speaker an in this case Tajiks are included. فارسی

Map for diaspora

Why isn't there a map for Persian/Iranian diaspora as well? I think it should have an infobox detailing their population statistics too. Firekong1 (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why naming Persian speaking scholars from Central Asia/Khorasan/Afghanistan Persians in Wikipedia ?

When most of them were of Bactrian, Sogdian, Khwarezmian, Kambojan etc... ancestry. I think it's not fair for Tajiks for example it would be more suitable to call them that, or even Farsiwan, or just Persian speakers or why not even Khorasanis. It's making people think of a sort of modern day Iran supremacy and neglects the distinct origin they had.

It's like these people were all Persian settlers from the actual Persis/Persia proper.

Even modern Iranian Persians are mostly descendants of various western Iranian tribes that got Persianized throughout history. 2A02:8428:809E:6701:E4ED:5B5E:1EEB:E8EB (talk) 21:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Population?

From where the population of persians are 70 million? All calculations i have done of official population estimates, from official 84, 88 and 90 million, taking in mind wikipedias ethnic groups in iran. Of 50 to 65 percent of irans population. It all falls from 42 to 58.5 million maximam.

Note- According official estimates not my pov. Thanks. 84.210.149.236 (talk) 17:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]