Talk:Peroneus brevis
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Peroneus brevis vs. fibularis brevis
[edit]@Iztwoz: 'Peroneus' is the Greek term for the fibula. Both major controlled vocabularies, the Foundational Model of Anatomy and Terminologia Anatomica prefer the Latin term. Staying with Latin names instead of a mix makes it easier for students to learn names. Learning that a muscle on the fibula is called 'Fibularis brevis' is easier than learning that it's called 'Peroneus brevis'. Even through old sources often do use the Greek name, I think it's valuable for Wikipedia to follow naming of reputative controlled vocabularies. If you think the Greek name is better, can you make a case for the Greek name? ChristianKl (talk) 14:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- Hello ChristianKl - when i first came across the various articles there were the two names used on different pages. Trying to consolidate these, both ngrams and google searches showed a strong preference for peroneal and i think TA states peroneal as the English synonym. (for some reason I haven't been able to access Google site today) - so I opted for the common name and it was not refuted by the Wiki anatomists or surgeons so it carried and recently have changed another couple to bring them in line. If you can make a case for the reversal to fibular please do. Or i will do this if searches are different, when i'm able to access the site again. Dorland's lists all items as TA alternatives. Thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 15:06, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Iztwoz: The Wikipedia manual of style of medicine says: "Anatomy—Most articles on human anatomy use the international standard Terminologia Anatomica (TA), which is the American English version of the Latin. Editor judgment is needed for terms used in non-human anatomy, developmental anatomy, and other problematic terms. "
- To me, that suggests that usage by TA is more important than Google hits or Ngram hits and it's Wikipedias intention to support efforts to standardize on the Latin name. ChristianKl (talk) 11:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- -The TA ID lists four usages of a term: Latin preferred, Latin official, English equivalent, and English synonym. So are you suggesting that all articles be changed to use the Latin terminology - If an English equivalent or synonym is listed by the TA then it is still a TA term. Often the names used in common parlance are the synonyms, and ref to searches usually decide which to use. Articles tend to favour easier terminology and readability universally. I have been able to look again and the usage definitely favours peroneus. Fibula as a bone remains and is stated there that both terms are used in relation to it. Best --Iztwoz (talk) 14:52, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Termininolgy that mixes Latin and Greek isn't easier. Using the same language to speak about the bone (fibula) and the muscle (fibularis brevis) makes the terminology easier to learn. That's why TA prefers the term 'fibularis brevis'. For the purposes of backwards compatibility they list synonyms but that doesn't change the fact that they have an intention of standardizing word usage towards the preferred term.
- The style guide says that editor judgment is needed in cases like non-human anatomy. That suggests that the intention behind the guide is that there's supposed to be no editor judgment about whether to take "Latin preferred" or a synonym. The guide seem to have the intention to honor the official judgments of the Federative Committee on Anatomical Terminology. ChristianKl (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
- Suggest you take your concerns to Project anatomy page.--Iztwoz (talk) 17:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
- -The TA ID lists four usages of a term: Latin preferred, Latin official, English equivalent, and English synonym. So are you suggesting that all articles be changed to use the Latin terminology - If an English equivalent or synonym is listed by the TA then it is still a TA term. Often the names used in common parlance are the synonyms, and ref to searches usually decide which to use. Articles tend to favour easier terminology and readability universally. I have been able to look again and the usage definitely favours peroneus. Fibula as a bone remains and is stated there that both terms are used in relation to it. Best --Iztwoz (talk) 14:52, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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