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Article quality lacking

Anime films are films like live action films, and I feel that the quality of anime film articles has a tendancy to be lacking, thus I hope to have some people who are film buffs unexposed to anime subculture take a look at the quality of these articles. --Neilworms 15:56, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck... Brutannica 01:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Frankly I think it is a total croc that the animated medium, after the last two decades especially, is still viewed as a "children's medium". That is a crok. All growd up and ...whatever. And I thought that line of thinking was only prevalent among people who despised foreign films. I guess I was wrong. 'all growd up.' huh? The pretenciousness is every where. Never mind that even cartoons in the US have jokes that only adults would get. Maybe so parents can watch with their kids? But even animation from Japan has its films that are aimed strickly not at a children's audience. It will just have to be up to fans of the animated medium themselves to write the better quality articles. There's a lot of them, and many are quite talented. No reason they cannot write the articles themselves. Forget hollywood and their prefabricated blockbusters. "This summer's blockbuster". What?!? It hasn't even come out yet! It cannot be a blockbuster by definition until it sells, sells, sells tickets gallor. duh. Advertising to sell the movie, regardless of quality. No wonder people turn to alternatives like anime and foreign films for a 'quality movie experience' or something that seems new and interesting. VeriGGlater 11:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

O.K., even I'm not that bitter. Brutannica 03:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bitter? What do you mean? Please elaborate. Maybe it's bitterness at the corporate war criminals that run the US and the world with image? Image also tricks us into believing it is merely a Bush/Cheney anomoly. And the bitterness comes out here? Sell, sell, sell. Isn't just about making a quick buck. Death in Iraq is a 'logical' result of the make a quick buck mindset also shown in "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". Scantily clad Hollywood idols are the other side of phoney macho militarism. Nudes for war. Look there and pay no attention to the man behind the screen. It's not just cheap entertainment. Nothing against nudity. I'm sure you know, Janet Jackson's mammory gland was not the perversion. Twisted bodies and severed limbs are. War, global empire, and corporate rule are. Turn off the television. The 'white picket fences' life "style" is an eternal false image. It never existed, except for a relative few. Maybe us with internet access. We live in the time of the 4th reich. Witness concentration camps in Guantanimo, which the same US gov'ts supported in fascist regime after fascist regime in the so-called "third world". Perhaps it is fitting that this is under the talk for Perfect Blue. It's been almost a decade since I watched it only once. But doesn't it have to do with the image as well? Have a nice day. VeriGGlater 12:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um... not sure how to respond to this one. I think you've already proved my point. But we're getting off-topic here: this is supposed to be a discussion regarding the article itself. Brutannica 19:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Like they say, "if you aren't angry, you aren't paying attention" 67.53.78.15 02:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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John and Peter

huh... who are John and Peter? "Mima's world becomes increasingly reminiscent of the works of John and Peter". First we have no link to another Wiki article which could explain it to me, but the article also doesn't talk at all about this... So why is it here in the first place? Who are they and what's their link with this film? Thank you to edit the article appropriately! :) --BahaFura (talk) 20:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ref material

" Satoshi Kon's "Perfect Blue" (1997) leaves the boy's adventure archetypes behind; its main influences would seem to be David Lynch and Michelangelo Antonioni. Like Mr. Lynch's recent "Mulholland Drive," the film is a study in mutable realities and dissolving identities, with an actress as the central figure: Mima Kirigoe is a moderately successful pop singer who hopes to move into an adult career as a dramatic performer. But her dreams are dashed when an alternate Mima appears, who — wearing the pigtails, pink hair ribbons and tutu that were Mima's trademarks — begins brutally murdering the advisers who are supervising her transition to womanhood. Mima's evil twin embodies the innocent, super-cute girlishness that the Japanese call shojo (series like "Sailor Moon," or the products in the Hello Kitty line of children's toys, illustrate the concept in all its bubblegum-pink glory). Within the context of a psychological thriller, Mr. Kon explores the crisis of Japanese women entrapped by the crippling shojo image, which is seen as spreading its pernicious influence over several generations. "Perfect Blue," which also contains some brilliantly executed expressionistic imagery of Tokyo at night, is one of the rare anime to venture into overt social criticism; in a medium that relies on the shojo image for much of its male appeal, the gesture is quite radical and courageous, though the film ultimately retreats into a disappointingly pat thriller."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/20/movies/20KEHR.html --Gwern (contribs) 13:08 25 August 2010 (GMT)

Requiem for a Dream

I think I discovered the source of the frequently repeated but miscited meme about Darren Aronofsky paying to use a Perfect Blue scene in Requiem for a Dream. In Satoshi Kon's blog, he notes that the budget of Aronofsky's Pi was at an independent-film level of about 6 million yen. Someone seems to have badly misinterpreted Kon's words to mean that Aronofsky paid US$59,000 (roughly Pi's budget) to use a Perfect Blue scene in Requiem for a Dream. I'm removing that miscited statement from the article. 1-54-24 (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kon quotes Aronofsky as saying, in the same blog post, that the bath scene from Requiem for a dream was "homage" and says in his own view it went beyond "homage" and was copied\plagiarised (pakuri) from Perfect Blue, and that representatives attempted to reach a financial negotion of the rights to Perfect Blue but negotiations stalled over the issue of whether the rights be limited to only Aronofsky as director. --Timtak (talk) 22:56, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Manga Impact

Manga Impact: The World of Japanese Animation, 6 December 2010, ISBN 978-0714857411; pg 122:

Kirigoe Mima leaves her small village for Tokyo to concentrate on her singing career. As lead vocalist in the pop group Cham, Mima becomes a pop-culture idol worshiped by her fans. Seeking a new direction in her professional life, Mima swaps the reassuring pop stage for the film-set, a decision that will have violent and destabilizing consequences.
Kon Satoshi began his directorial career with the thriller Perfect Blue, a post-modern work, full of misleading clues and linguistic subtleties. Based on the novel of the same name by Takeuchi Yoshikazu, Perfect Blue explores similar territory to Brian de Palma's Body Double (1984) and Abel Ferrara's Dangerous Game (1993), where reality and fiction merge with disturbing ramifications. The film's editing is highly distinctive, jumbling up the narrative sequence and deliberately mixing delusion with reality. The animation deploys an original style that might at first appear slapdash and repetitive, but which subtly conveys the heroine's deep sense of disorientation.
Mima's anxiety is project onto the whole film, which becomes the anguished expression of a fundamentally resilient humanity. Despite malicious intrusions by someone she has trusted, depersonalizing struggles, and dangers and threats from her immediate surroundings, Mima fights to retain her identity and to keep control of her own image.
C.C. [Carlo Chatrian]

--Gwern (contribs) 19:49 23 December 2011 (GMT)

Influence

This section is a misguided attempt to link Kon to Aronofsky. Nothing in this section makes it clear that the movie influenced anybody.--Slowlikemolasses (talk) 04:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Beck article

Fred Patten has a review on Perfect Blue in Jerry Beck's book The Animated Movie Guide. It shows some release dates as well as flesh out more voice roles on the dub side. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:22, 3 September 2014 (UTC), updated 18:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plot Summary contains excessive detail

I agree with https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:AngusWOOF that length isn't necessarily a problem here, but I do think that it goes into excessive detail over individual plot points which doesn't really serve to describe the movie as much as it just retells it.

It could use some pruning. Bderiso (talk) 02:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please forgive me, I’m new to the talk page and don’t know how to do this. But can someone explain to me where Mima killed Me-Mania. I understand him trying to rape her and Me-Mania does indeed die in the film, but not by the hands of Mima. What am I missing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudykaita (talk • contribs) 15:26, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I didn’t cite the clearest source for my removal.

Here’s the clearer and more direct source: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781403983084_2 Barely made one (talk) 00:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Current Plot undergoing massive rewording and expansion

The current Wikipedia plot summary for Perfect Blue makes no sense at all. I have reached out on the talk page, though that was done incorrectly, but no one has responded. There is even a line in the plot that says Mima killed Me-Mania with a hammer in self defense, which is complete nonsense. There is no quality in the plot anymore, almost if it was done by one person but a few editors and I will be working on making Perfect Blue’s Wikipedia page great again.

The plot is currently under construction, filling in all the good juicy details, plot points, and everything else that made Perfect Blue such a beautiful brutal anime film we’ve come to know, love, and regret watching but will watch it anyway because it’s just that good. I am not, by any means, trying to dictate this page, but merely try to make it make sense, specifically the Plot. This is not a one man job, anyone who can help edit, reword, or fill in blanks, is more than welcome to contribute.

Remember, no one owns any articles on Wikipedia, including Perfect Blue, which is considered illegal and a breach of its policy. Thank you so much.

Ok, I admit, I did make a mistake and didn’t read the rule book thoroughly, so I do apologize for my edits, they were made without a clear understanding on the regulations. I did try to rechange it again before my apology but I’m sure someone will return it to its normal state. I appreciate y’all for understanding.

AngusWOOF it‘s all good, I’m no longer on the article. I won’t touch the plot summary again. It looks good the way it is and didn’t mean to bump heads without anyone. I’ll be removing this section later on in the weekend. Have a blessed Easter bro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudykaita (talk • contribs) 04:37, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rudykaita (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rudykaita, please remember to keep the summary within 700 words per WP:FILMPLOT AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:28, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rudykaita, if your ideas of expansion is this [1], that violates WP:FILMPLOT with a count of 1089 words. Please do not bloat the plot like that. Also, see WP:STEWARDSHIP; you'll notice that multiple editors have an interest in keeping the summary concise. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with AngusWOOF here. I've had the article on my watchlist for a while now and I keep seeing way too many edits that make the plot chock full of excessive details and asides. Plot summaries on Wikipedia are meant to only discuss the main plotline in a concise matter. Opencooper (talk) 17:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t know how to mention/tag anyone, I’m still wet behind the ears on Wikipedia, but I definitely appreciate having to meet you guys under these circumstances. Not trying to bully anyone or take control over anything, but I had no idea there were rules and regulations when it came to editing and changing articles. Guess you can say I made a “Wikipage” and went straight to it without reading the ”fine print.” Lol. As far as the ”Perfect Blue” Wikipedia page is concerned, I won’t touch it again. What we can agree all together is that Perfect Blue is one hell of a film, regardless if it’s a mystery, thrille, or psychological horror film, right? I’ve attempted many times, but I guess my two cents didn’t make the cut. Aye, you win some, you lose some. Don’t think too bad of me my Wikipedia friends and this is not goodbye. Catch me around making edits for Case Closed/Detective Conan. See ya later!

Genre

Please do not change the genre without either discussion or new sources. Thanks. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Breaking the third wall"

A short addition was recently made to the "Plot" section which references Mima "breaking the third wall." I can only assume this was meant to read "breaking the fourth wall," but I wanted to ask in case there is some different meaning attached to the "third wall."

Forgonewarrior (talk) 16:23, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]