Talk:Percy LeSueur

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"Thinking man's custodian"

Can anyone provide a more complete quotation from Without Fear: Hockey's 50 greatest goaltenders, page 9, calling LeSueur the "thinking man's custodian"? If it's tied to his aggressive play and roving style, then I can see how to hook it to following sentences. Otherwise, I'd like to rewrite the first couple of sentences in the section "Playing style and innovations", but my rewrite may not keep this description, since without knowing the surrounding context for the quote, I can't relate it to these sentences. isaacl (talk) 01:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, to double-check my understanding: is the "LeSueur net" the webbing for the goalie glove? isaacl (talk) 01:34, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

The LeSueur net is a net with posts and crossbar, "used from 1911 to 1925, first by the NHA until 1917, and then by its successor, the NHL". :p I don't have the book anymore (library), but page 9 was the table of contents, and it was a small blurb. I believe it refers to his innovations to equipment, and perhaps roaming to get the puck? I'm not sure; it might be better overall to remove the quote outright. Maxim_(talk) 01:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Then I'm missing something, because I'm not sure what portion of the net is 22 inches at the bottom and 17 inches at the top (sounds like a really small net). Regarding the "thinking man's custodian", if you do happen to get the entire context again, I would appreciate your posting it. If I can think of a way to save the quote I will; otherwise, I may delete it for now (subject to restoring later). isaacl (talk) 02:17, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Of course—putting the quote next to his inventions is apt. I've made the change. (For some reason, my mind skipped over the sentence about the Art Ross net, which would have clarified things for me. I just got stuck on the measurements, which I'm still wondering about.) isaacl (talk) 02:30, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I meant to say deep, as in going from the goalline into the net. I confirmed this in The official rules of hockey by Duplacey and Diamond. The net was significantly smaller at the bottom then at 22 in (today it's 44 in per official NHL rules) but at the top it's 18 inches, which is only one inch off what LeSueur's net was. Maxim_(talk) 02:45, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. isaacl (talk) 03:18, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Marriage

I considered a sentence like "LeSueur's wife was Georgia" (shorthand for LeSueur's wife's name was Georgia) but this conflicted with my desire to combine the reference to his denomination with another sentence so it wouldn't hang out there alone, and the one related to his marriage seemed like the best candidate. As originally written, it seemed too unspecific to say he was married to "Georgia" without any last name. Ideally her maiden name would be specified, but I realize this may be hard to uncover. The current form (after your edit) seems to be a reasonable compromise, but I'm open to other ideas. (I know technically it's against Wikipedia's guidance on subsequent uses of a person's name, but hopefully any Feature Article reviewers will appreciate the rhetorical reasons for using the first name in this instance.) isaacl (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't recall the section lower down on "Family members with the same surname" in that Wikipedia guideline. It seems using LeSueur's first name fits perfectly with the stated guidance. isaacl (talk) 17:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm personally unfamiliar with all details of the style guidelines; I make such decisions based on experience and intuition. I've had similar cases before dealing with describing spouses or siblings, and I guess I've been in line with the the MOS all that time. Maxim_(talk) 18:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Copyedit comments

Copied from my talkpage so I can find it later:

I've done a second pass CE on the article. I added a note on LeSueur's Stanley Cup challenges in 1906 that necessitated breaking one long paragraph into two. The first half is now completely unsourced, but I a don't know where you got the info from, as the next reference (Ottawa Citizen obit) made no mention. I've also been looking around Google News Archive, and I see several stories that could help expand places. In particular, it is confusing as to why Ottawa would trade their captain and coach. Turns out he told the team he was leaving. Also, the PCHA tried to recruit him. Hope that helps! Resolute 01:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

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Maxim_(talk) 01:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 15:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

We don't have the original publication date for File:Percy LeSueur.jpg, but it looks like a cigarette card which would have been published at the time, so I'm going to assume that's OK. Sources are reliable; primary source (attestation) is OK for what it's used for.

• "LeSueur won the Stanley Cup with the Ottawa, now nicknamed the Senators": should be "with Ottawa", not "with the Ottawa", surely?
• "...a work similar to Arthur Farrell's handbook Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game, the first book published on ice hockey, 10 years earlier. Published right before the start of the 1910–11 season...": suggest "...a work similar to Arthur Farrell's handbook Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game, the first book on ice hockey, which had appeared 10 years earlier. Published right before the start of the 1910–11 season..." to avoid the repetition of "published" and to fix the connection of "10 years earlier" to its noun.
• "LeSueur was an original member of Hockey Night in Canada's "Hot Stove League", a panel of hockey writers which discussed issues within hockey": suggest giving the date -- 1931 if our article on it is correct.
• The "Career statistics" section is unsourced.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: Hi Mike, thanks for reviewing this, and sorry it took a few days to address these minor comments, I recently started a new job that's been eating up my time (on a similar note, very happy to see not too many changes are needed for this one!).

• I've gone ahead and addressed points 1 and 2 as I agree.
• With respect to giving a date, I would caution against this; although the program Hockey Night in Canada began in 1931, it is difficult to determine if the Hot Stove Panel that LeSueur was an inaugural member of began at the same time as Hockey Night, and there's not too much info publicly available online regarding the history of this segment. Because there's potential that the panel might have been a later addition, I would suggest we leave the existing tone with no explicit year. Happy to hear your thoughts.
• The statistics citations are noted in the external links, but I have gone ahead and provided a citation in the Career Statistics section as well.

  Re the date, how about just saying the 1930s? And perhaps add a hidden comment giving the explanation you just gave, so other editors won't try to add the 1931 date? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:16, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a ton again. Spilia4 (talk) 06:40, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Earwig finds this page, which I eventually figured out is almost certainly a copy from our article; I'm noting it here for the benefit of other editors. That page doesn't have enough archive.org history to prove it's a copy, but looking at Jack Marshall (ice hockey) and its equivalent article on that site shows it was copied from us on the date given at the foot of that page, so clearly the site is copying our articles.

Spotchecks:

• FN 26 cites "In 1968, he was posthumously inducted as one of the 55 original members of the Ottawa Sports Hall of Fame." Verified.
• FN 33 cites "His son, Steve Douglas, followed his father into radio broadcasting." Verified.

Spotchecks are fine. Just the suggestion about the date above left. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:16, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mike Christie: I've gone ahead and dated the statement in line with your GA suggestion after conducting some more research on the topic. All your comments have now been addressed. Spilia4 (talk) 16:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Looks good; passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:06, 10 September 2022 (UTC)