Talk:People's Party (United States, 2017)

Logo

Can the official logo of MPP be used? Majornewparty (talk) 09:34, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Secondary sources?

Does this "movement" actually exist, or is it just one website run by Bernie Sanders' dog? At the moment, 13 of the 19 ref citations are from the Movement for a People's Party itself, and even of those, several of the pages now forward to their site's "Our Platform" page (IOW, they're gone, and can't support any claims here). I have found NO outside sources that say their big convention even happened, only that it was supposed to occur. Anybody got some info on this "event"? Did anything happen? And if so, was it anything of consequence? — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 08:12, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Bit better

Some marginal improvements were made to the article with Special:Diff/991428696/991659375. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 05:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

"Misnamed events and misrepresentations of the work of the group"

I just (for the second time) reverted an edit by Trajecaso, which had an edit summary of "Added details and removed misnamed events and misrepresentations of the work of the group". The edit itself removed referenced text and added new material which is wholly unsourced. It mentions raising "$160,000.00 in a crowd pac" without defining what that is or whence that figure comes. There's some unsourced storytelling about Sanders was not present in his Senate office to receive the petition and did not respond. The members of the organization met to discuss the future of the progressive movement without Sanders which seems to have scant relevance to the MPP. The edit uses date formats 9/10/2017 and 9/11/2017 which are non-conformant with our Manual of Style, and again changes "National Coordinating Circle" to "National Coordinator's Circle", although the reference cited for CC states the former.

User:Trajecaso, if you want to explain your edits (or desired edits) here, or get a clearer idea of my complaints, I welcome your response here. I'll be glad to discuss them with you. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about the form issues. I should read more about how to edit.

Would you be able to tell me what sources would be best for the crowd pac, or is it best if I do the reading to find the proper form? Trajecaso (talk) 21:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The crowd pac, reference to the trip to Sanders office and the reason for the conference that followed were heavily discussed in the threads of the national Facebook page and on the national organizing calls Trajecaso (talk) 21:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for coming here, Trajecase, I see you are still very new here. Welcome! There are lots of rules and customs (like indenting talk-page replies with a colon, as I have done) but if you make a little effort you will learn the most important ones quickly.

Well, I still don't know what a crowd pac is, so I can hardly recommend reliable sourcing for it. There appears to be a Crowdpac article, which is about a website for raising money (somehow), if that's what you're talking about. The best thing for that would be some mention in a reliable paper, magazine or other news source. Especially a specific amount like $160,000 cries out for good sourcing.

A Facebook page is unlikely to provide the verifiability we need here. Again, some reliable news source like a respected paper, television network (ehh, not Fox News, necessarily), magazine, etc., which tells the story would help get it included. But so far, I don't see that these few details are important to an MPP article. Apparently, some people (Brana?) tried to draft Sanders and Sanders was (intentionally or by pure coincidence) "unavailable" or just plain not interested. I don't think that much matters. People wanted Bernie, Bernie didn't want them; so what. (If you know what I mean.) And if these details are only on a Facebook page, it suggests they're not so relevant for our article here, as nobody else cared to pick it up and run a piece on them. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 00:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Ballot access in Missouri

According to Ballot Access News, the "Movement for a People's Party" did not file candidates for statewide or lesser office for the general election in November. Today was the filing deadline for non-established parties and independents to submit their petitions. Only the Green Party and an independent candidate for U.S. Senate filed.

Therefore, they do not have ballot access in Missouri. Himnmedia2017 (talk) 00:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Syncretic?

I think "Big Tent" is a better descriptor, it's not like the American Solidarity Party, which is a socialist/social democratic party with socially conservative views. It seems to be more of a catch-all party that focuses on anti-interventionism, it's a mix of libertarians, communists, socialists, left-wing populists, right-wing populists, dissident left, dissident right, progressive, and conservative people who are kind of anti-establishment. 72.72.204.46 (talk) 13:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

In fact, the sources used to support the claim, at least from the provided quotes, actually support more "Right-wing" than "Syncretism".

"Cornel West linked up with a political group known for anti-vaccine members and extreme right-wing associates ... In fact, there was no left-wing perspective; the political direction was provided entirely by the right. ... The PP recently made a move to the right... This is what is sometimes called a 'red-brown' alliance, nominally leftist parties joining with rightist parties ... and promises to build a major populist movement, neither left nor right [I wonder who else said that...], in the United States. ... Both the People's Party and CPI propose versions of MAGA-with-Medicare. ... The MPP has used Twitter to admit, several times, they do not want to be a left party, they want to conform to red-state voters, and they plan to use (unprincipled) populism to win elections ... who has a history of controversial views such as whitewashing the far-right Boogaloo Boys and promoting vaccine skepticism."

Davide King (talk) 20:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated Claims

The section on the 2022 accusations of sexual harassment (which leave out context- including that the majority of the party's board apparently decided these claims were unsubstantiated and politically-motivated: with claims the purported victim demanded professional advancement and changed her story repeatedly...) make the baseless claim "several" board members were forced out.

The sources cited make it clear exactly two board members were forced out, which is NOT "several" (three or more), and this claim needs to be revised/clarified to say "two" not "several" as well as the counter-accusations mentioned.

The current tone of the article presumes guilt, when this was never found in any investigation or court of law. All claims should be taken seriously, not all claims believed without sufficient evidence. 73.119.90.221 (talk) 02:22, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Vaccine and The Nation article

This article https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/cornel-west-peoples-party/ is used as a reference about the party's vaccine denialism. The only passage in the article about vaccine is this. Aside from the scandal with Brana, Higgins called attention to the MPP’s ties to the podcaster Jimmy Dore, who has a history of controversial views such as whitewashing the far-right Boogaloo Boys and promoting vaccine skepticism. The author was talking about Dore's positions on vaccines, not the MPP ones. QTHCCAN (talk) 14:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)