Talk:Pelayo trinquet

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some cpedit

I have made some copy edit trying to use a better English or, simply, improve understanding. Still, there is one thing I can't get as it is now: if the trinquet has a roof, how can balls get out of it? Please explain in order to finalise the cpedit. Thanks. Mountolive | Talk 05:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Until 1976 this trinquet hadn't a roof. Eventually, only recent built trinquets have.

Behind the rest and dau galleries there was only a metal net, so balls that were thrown too high didn't go out of the trinquet (balls that were thrown TOO high did escape, after all). But the vaqueta balls are very tough and that net was not upgraded as time went by, so some holes appeared on the net and balls escaped to the Institut Lluís Vives or to neighbours' houses and patios.

By the way, after your edition I think this article is more understable. Thx, --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 07:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. Now, I made in this passage a rather drastic edit cutting a lot of material. The anecdotal comments of the balls getting out of the trinquet may sound tasty to us, but, generally speaking, are confusing or simply irrelevant trivia, don't you think?

There is this part which I have cut and brought here so that you give me some explanation

It may be useful to remember than then Escala i corda matches were usually played under "free galleries" rule (balls thrown to the galleries that don't come back to the court are scored to the sender).

It might be interesting...for what? what was the importance of this in the game and what is the importance of the absence of this rule today?

Also, I believe that "galleries" is not a fortunate word option in this context. I would remove that word because I don't think in English means what you mean. Instead of "dau galleries" for example, I would just say "the dau" and that's it.

Finally, I am also cutting this piece

Also, on the right wall, from the llotgeta to the midfield rope there was a slight edge that caused too-close to the wall balls to go into the court, and so players were forced suddenly to strike the ball with the left hand.

Since this doesn't seem to exist anymore (does it?) it is my belief that, in order to make the article as much clearer as possible, we should try to reduce these things which are hard to translate specially in this case, which actually doesn't exist anymore.

What do you think? Mountolive | Talk 06:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that right wall slight edge is not relevant now, it might be removed. I just thought it could add a bit of flavour.

But, regarding the free galleries rule that was used then, I strongly think it's necessary to keep it since playing Escala i corda with or without that rule is very different. There are players (Grau, for example) who are almost invincible with free galleries and plain good with forbidden galleries.

Also, at old times vaqueta balls were not as heavy as they are now (32 gr. then , and 44 gr. now), it might sounds strange but because of the way they were made they were more difficult to send so long. I'm afraid I can't explain in English.

Galleries is not a good translation? Ok, let's find a proper one.

Thx for everything, --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 09:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point with the free or forbidden "galleries" thing. However, these comments look more relevant, in my opinion, in the Escala i corda article, but not in the Pelayo trinquet, don't you think?

The problem with these articles is that, not being familiar with the sport and its rules and being given a rather clumsy translation from Spanish native speakers, the English speakers may find these details very confusing. Until the day when some "white elefant" is found who is English native speaker and keen on pilota (I'm sure he exists already in La Marina, but we have to bring him to wikipedia ;) maybe we should be modest and don't try to go beyond our forces in trying to explain this sport: a basic introduction might be the best we can do. That's, at least, my opinion. Mountolive | Talk 20:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That "white elephant" exists! It's Dani de la Nucia, a young member of the Valencian Pilota Squad, he was very active in the Llargues competitions, but as far as I know he is now studying at the University and it's a long time since I don't see him. By the way, he's studying in Elx ;-)

Regarding the free or forbidden "galleries" rule you are right, it should be at the Escala i corda article, you are right, but that "anecdota" couldn't appear without a prior explanation, ain't?

Thx for your improvements. --Casaforra (parlem-ne) 07:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This means that Dani is your man, hehehe. When he is back from studies, grab him by the neck and force him to take a look at this ;) If you don't want to wait, you maybe are able to get his email from some common acquaintance? I don't know. But what I do know is that I have "hit the wall" here and there is little more I can do. As I said elsewhere, you have done already a lot by creating the article and introducing the sport, so you should be pretty much satisfied with your action. You deserve one of those barn stars of Valencian national merit, if they existed? ;)

I would suggest that you contact the user who placed the tag and ask him please to review the article again after the amendments: he may find it now more readable and we can get rid of the tag. It is true that sometimes, Spanish native speakers we do somewhat literal translations that we think make sense but actually they do not or sound just too confusing and that is why he had to tag it. Hopefully now is different. Mountolive | Talk 00:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]