Talk:Pavel Mif

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November 2021

Regarding the multiple issues template, note the following:

This article relies on only one source, that too a source which is in Russian. The article may be a crude copy-paste job, or a translation done badly, either by machine or otherwise. More reliable sources needed for verification.
Given the style, tone, and expression used in the article, it needs to be cleaned and rewritten to comply with guidelines.
This article may not meet the general notability guidelines, as the subject’s coverage in many publications or their prominence is not reflected in a way which implies compliance with the said guidelines. Needs to be looked into. MxWondrous (talk) 13:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mif definitely has sufficient notability to have an article. He is mentioned as an important factor in the history of the rise of the CCP to power in China, in his various roles in the Comintern. He is discussed prominently in more histories of modern China than you can count.

Of course I agree that the single source here now is a thin foundation for the article, though I can tell that several of the key facts (e.g. rector of Sun Yat-sen University in Moscow at a key time) are correct.

I'll try to get around to citing some more robust sources. Pechmerle (talk) 05:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some:

Fairbank, J., & Feuerwerker, A. (Eds.). (1986). The Cambridge History of China (The Cambridge History of China). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CHOL9780521243384

Page 168: "In brief, the CCP from its Second Congress in 1922 had been a branch of the Communist International (CI) which, in spite of differing views occasionally expressed by Chinese leaders, had its way throughout the period of the first united front of 1923-7. After 1927, however, the prestige of the CI plummeted and vigorous efforts were needed to restore it. This meant the deposition and criticism of Ch'en Tu-hsiu, the recall and rebuke of Ch'ii Ch'iu-pai, the trial of Li Li-san; more significantly, this also meant the convocation of the Sixth Congress in Moscow and the reconstruction of the party presided over by Pavel Mif."

Nikiforov, V. N. (1972) A Contribution to the History of Soviet Sinology. Soviet studies in history. [Online] 11 (3), 252–266. DOI: 10.2753/RSH1061-19831103252

Page 252: "For ten years (1927-1937),study of China in the USSR was directed by Pavel Aleksandrovich Mif (1)(Pavel Mif was his Party alias from 1917: his real name was Mikhail Aleksan- drovich Fortus). A participant in the Civil War, Mif acquired a higher education. In 1921he graduated from the Sverdlov Communist University and was retained there as research associate, simultaneously beginning to work at the Commu- nist University of the Workers of the East (KUTV). (2) At the KUTV Mif began to do serious work on problems of the revolutionary movement of peoples in colonial and dependent countries. From 1923to 1925he was on Party assignment in the Donbass. When a powerful upsurge of the revolutionary movement occurred in China, the Sun Yat-sen University of the Workers of China was established in Moscow in 1925to aid the Chinese revolutionaries. Mif was sent to that univer- sity as its prorector. This was how Mif's work in Sinology began." 2607:9880:4008:26:3961:8CA1:8109:32EE (talk) 02:46, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added refs. Tidied text. Removed issues banner as concerns adressed. He is certainly notable, as a very strong influence on the political history of China and mentor of the 28 Bolsheviks amongst others. There are many academic texts in English that mention him, his doctrine, his official functions and his influence on the development of the Chinese Communist Party in an important early phase. Regards Guffydrawers (talk) 06:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]