Talk:Paul Babeu

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Lead

The lead content duplicated the recent allegations which I think are not lead material because they are allegations and it would probably give them undue weight as often happens with recent events. I moved the verifiable facts into the appropriate section and edited for clarity and encyclopedic tone. We should be cautious with language per W:BLP because much of what is reported still consists of allegations that are denied by Babeu. Hekerui (talk) 08:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC) An investigation was launched by the Arizona Solicitor General into allegations of Babeu's abuse of power. Also, civil rights groups have launched formal requests for investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.36.140.199 (talk) 08:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

This article seems to have been edited by a member of Babeu's staff or another sympathizer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.231.92 (talk) 23:54, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary, we strive to follow WP:BLP policy here, which is why, when there are only allegations that are denied we don't write into the lead "marred by a scandal", "even amid growing calls for his resignation as Pinal County Sheriff due to poor judgement (for posting nude photos of himself on the Internet), harassment of his former lover, and misuse of power", "it remained unclear whether Babeu is also involved in corruption and/or other illegal activities" - none of which are attributed in the text or marked as allegations, or in case of the last statement, are obvious POV pushing, contrary to the coverage in the article body. The Wikipedia:Edit filter had appropriately marked the edit that inserted that material as BLP problematic. Hekerui (talk) 09:55, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hekerui, maybe you do not understand the meaning of "marred by a scandal"... Babeu has resigned his post as Arizona co-chair for Mitt Romeny's presidential campaign, he is under investigation for abuse of power by the Arizona Solicitor General, there is a formal request for a federal investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice and prominent community leaders have asked for Babeu's resignation as Pinal County Sheriff. While his political career is jeopardy, his law enforcement career is also in jeopardy he may even face civil and/or criminal charges. See http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-02-23/news/demands-grow-for-full-investigation-into-allegations-against-sheriff-paul-babeu/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ariz-ag-designates-solicitor-general-to-head-probe-into-allegations-made-against-sheriff/2012/02/22/gIQAG1Y5TR_story.html http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/20/arizona-sheriff-paul-babeu-leaves-romney-campaign-faces-criticism-after-gay-outing/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/joe-arpaio-paul-babeu_n_1290602.html THIS IS A SCANDAL. This information is also relevant and pertinent. Whether you or Babeu do not like these FACTS, that is too bad; they are well documented by Time, BBC, ABC News, CNN, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Arizona Republic, Phoenix New Times, The Advocate, etc. Please do your homework and actually verify information BEFORE you edit and make unsubstantiated remarks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.36.140.199 (talk) 09:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia we stick to facts. If only allegations are public they must be marked as such. We strive to be dispassionate and neutral. Hekerui (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hekerui, your comprehension skills are seriously lacking or you are severely biased. When an individual is under state AND federal investigations, is forced to quit a state chair position of a presidential campaign AND is forced to quit his own campaign for US Congress, is by definition MARRED BY THESE SCANDALS. These scandals are also FACTS, not allegations (maybe you should look up the definitions of "marred" and "scandal"... and they let YOU edit wikipedia? u should try a supervised editorial position at a high school paper first. Seriously) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.215.215 (talk) 07:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Babeu's involvement in the DeSisto School

The DeSisto School never had the position of Headmaster although Michael DeSisto was occasionally referred to this in numerous articles and books, his position was always that of Executive Director. iberkshires.com would seem to be a barely WP:RS many of the articles (including the one in question) have no by lines and it seems to be a community message board where citizens can email in the stories. The dates of Babeu's service at the school are not stated in the article. If Babeu was ever headmaster/executive director a better source needs to be found such as the Berkshire Eagle, and his actual position at the school and dates of service nailed down. Until then let the tags stand. --Wlmg (talk) 15:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Found other sources confirming contested info but leaving not in citation given tag for dates of service for now.--Wlmg (talk) 02:49, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article is back in the news

This article was cited and linked to in this blog. Bearian (talk) 15:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And? It's from a leftist diarist on Daily Kos. When we start considering Newsmax as a reliable source, let us know. Until then, it's a self-published source, unusable in any way for a Wikipedia biography of a living person. Blogs are blogs, and a notation in a partisan blog≠in the news. Horologium (talk) 00:12, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DeSisto School abuses

This story recently broke. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC) Or maybe it's not so recent, but it's certainly got legs. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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