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Old Cleanup Archive

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Taken from the old Cleanup entry:
  • Pastoral - not very encyclopedic; needs subheadings; hard to follow; poor flow. --tomf688(talk) 00:09, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Pastoral died in the 18th Century?

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So, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard, Adonais, and In Memoriam aren't pastoral elegies working fairly conventionally within the genre as constructed by Milton? Am I missing something?

Revisions

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Swapped Wordsworth's name with Alexander Pope. Wordsworth's (along with Ambrose Phillips) pastoral poetry represented a break from the Virgilian tradition, not a continuation of it, around the turn of the century. --JH 69.236.37.131 10:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sections removed from article

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Interesting but perhaps fails "undue weight" policy:

"Other uses of the pastoral setting" A harsher note was struck in Girolamo Fracastoro's 1530 poem Syphilis, sive Morbus Gallicus ("Syphilis, or the French Disease"), in which Syphilus ("pig-lover"), a typical pastoral name for a shepherd, is stricken by the disease syphilis that takes its name from Fracastoro's poem. Fracastoro's poem contains the first recognisable description of the symptoms of syphilis (today, few contemporary physicians announce their discoveries in verse, pastoral or otherwise). Fracastoro has Syphilus the shepherd catch it for having offended Apollo, a somewhat unusual method of infection. Fracastoro's Latin poem was much admired in its day; it was translated into English heroic couplets by Nahum Tate:

Fracastorius warns the shepherd Syphilus to drink only from a pure fountain, as a dog pollutes the stream: engraving by Jan Sadeler I after Christoph Schwartz
A shepherd once (distrust not ancient fame)
Possest these Downs, and Syphilus his Name;
Some destin'd Head t'attone the Crimes of all,
On Syphilus the dreadful Lot did fall.
Through what adventures this unknown Disease
So lately did astonisht Europe seize,
Through Asian coasts and Libyan Cities ran,
And from what Seeds the Malady began,
Our Song shall tell: to Naples first it came
From France, and justly took from France his Name. . .

Pastoral paintings, likewise, were typically used to give the respectability of the classics to paintings of nymphs, swains, satyrs, and other mostly human legendary creatures frolicking in neatly tended hills and woods in a state of perpetual déshabillé. In contemporary times, it is a whole genre of sexual fantasy that fell almost completely out of fashion.

See also: Et in Arcadia ego, the end of Don Quixote.

Another section removed (temporarily?)

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Pastoral literature in English

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A work can contain many pastoral elements mixed with other genres. Sir Philip Sidney's Arcadia, though taking place among shepherds in Arcadia, features the royal family, who have retired to the countryside for peace, and centers on the romances of princes and princesses. The fourth act of Shakespeare's The Winter's Tale features a pastoral setting, but the focus is on the apparent shepherdess, Perdita, who is actually a foundling and a princess, and the setting is intruded on by her princely lover Florizel, and by his disapproving father the king. Sir Calidore, the Knight of Courtesy in Edmund Spenser's The Faerie Queen finds that the Blatant Beast is unknown among the shepherds, but he himself comes from outside, and the shepherdess Pastorella whom he loves is revealed at the end to be a foundling, the daughter of a knight and lady. Indeed, many foundlings in literature are taken up by the pure and simple folk of the pastoral, but are themselves of higher birth and from civilization, to which they return at the story's end. Similarly, the heroes and heroines of fairy tales written by the précieuses often appeared in pastoral settings, but these figures were royal or noble, and their simple setting does not cloud their innate nobility.[1] In modern fantasy works, the setting is often pastoral.[2]


If the above passage is meant to imply that a work is not entirely pastoral because the protagonists are noble foundlings, it certainly needed to be excised. The plot of Daphnis and Chloe hinges entirely upon the eponymous characters' status as noble foundlings. I believe that many other pastoral prose romances of the 1st and 2nd century contained the same plot device. Sidney and Shakespeare were working out of this entirely pastoral tradition. 97.91.191.87 (talk) 06:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)MOB[reply]

References

  1. ^ Lewis Seifert, "The Marvelous in Context: The Place of the Contes de Fées in Late Seventeenth Century France", Jack Zipes, ed., The Great Fairy Tale Tradition: From Straparola and Basile to the Brothers Grimm, p 920-1, ISBN 0-393-97636-X
  2. ^ Jane Yolen, "Introduction" p viii After the King: Stories in Honor of J.R.R. Tolkien, ed, Martin H. Greenberg, ISBN 0-312-85175-8

Concert Champêtre

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I believe there should be some mention here that even the Louvre (the museum that now houses this work) attributes this work to Titian.Shane.Bell (talk) 09:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

too western?

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There are pastoral traditions outside of Europe - notably the Krishna story in Hindu religion/mythology which is the dominant theme of Hinduism, culminating in the Bhagavad Gita. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.173.184.35 (talk) 17:52, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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"Religious" section?

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Several of the Bilblical articles link to this page but it does not include a section on "Pastoral" in the religious context. Elmorian (talk) 03:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, because Christ is referred to as The Good Shepherd.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is one aspect of it. I have added the section with some brief excerpts and links to from associated articles. Trying not to add more than is needed for context, as "pastoral letter" has its own article, but I feel addressing the overlap will make navigation easier and provides space for future expansion.Elmorian (talk) 01:17, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

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Pastoral is a Canadian novel written by André Alexis which offers a modern take on the pastoral set in a fictional town in southern Ontario[1]. The book was inspired by Beethoven's Sixth Symphony also known as the Pastoral Symphony.

Notes

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1. New editor here, apologies if this request is a bit of a mess! Pointers appreciated. 2. Reason for request: I believe this novel offers a contemporary example of the continuing tradition of pastorals with a strong reference to the original genre and an interesting cross reference between the music and literature. The best place for it is possibly under the subheading: Post-pastoral, urban pastoral and other variants 3. Minor conflict of interest; I have met the author, but don't have a strong personal relationship.

References

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  1. ^ Hingston, 2014

Emflu (talk) 18:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not Done. Inclusion would appear promotional. The wording above appears to be of a promotional nature and the inclusion of a single specified work would seem undue. If you would like to provide a list of works that fall under that general type of fiction then please go ahead, but detailing a single example is inappropriate. Axad12 (talk) 09:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you help me understand how that might differ from this line in the current article?
Charles Siebert's Wickerby: An Urban Pastoral describes a man who splits his time between a gritty Brooklyn apartment, where the night is filled with the sounds of pigeons, starlings, and youth gangs shouting, and driving to rural Quebec to squat in an abandoned, tumbledown cabin in rural Quebec.
Is it in the way my suggested inclusion was worded?
Just to reiterate; I'm not actually affiliated with the author in any way, just think it's relevant novel and want to clarify this point so I understand what inclusions to suggest/not to suggest in the future. Emflu (talk) 19:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that shouldn't have been in there either. Now removed. Thank you for pointing that out. Axad12 (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pushkin

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Suggested inclusion for the poetry section to diversify coverage:

Pushkin frequently used the pastoral form in his poetry. Examples include Reason and Love, written in the tradition of French pastoral poetry and The Singer.[1]

Notes

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  1. ^ Pushkin 2013, p. 157-158.

References

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  • Pushkin, Alexander (Edited and Translated by Roger Clarke) (2013). "Love Poems, Alma Classics.

Emflu (talk) 19:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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