Talk:Pannonica de Koenigswarter

A fact from Pannonica de Koenigswarter appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 February 2005. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Nica de Koenigswarter of the Rothschild family was known as the "bebop baroness" for her patronage of jazz musicians, including Thelonious Monk and Charlie Parker?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2005/February.

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How to put caption in

I uploaded a picture to the article. What is the method for uploading a caption? I thought that I had done this properly. (If you go to edit mode you can see that I tried already to add a caption.) Thanks. Dogru144 20:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hope I have now corrected this --mervyn 17:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Standard?

Is the jazz standard "Nica's Dream" named after her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.177.44 (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Haldraper

User:Haldraper has moved the page to "Nica Rothschild", removing any reference to her "de Koenigswarter" name in the lead, preferring to have her known only by her maiden name, twice. The second time the page was moved, the reason given was a reference to the BBC4 documentary by Nica's great grand niece or to Google's search engine. I've heard the BBC radio documentary which the film accompanies, and I've done a Google search: "pannonica de koenigswarter" gets 7,620 results, while "nica rothschild" gets 4,840. Please discuss for a consensus before such actions are taken again, otherwise the page will be put under protection, and you will be accused of vandalism. Sorry to seem so dogmatic about this, but even though I am passionate about the subject, I still strive to operate within Wikipedia guidlines. I hope you will share your views here on this talk page. --Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 11:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes, when a move war is brewing, the best bet is to make a formal move request to the title the other person favors; that is, request a move from the current title to Nica Rothschild. and give your reasons why the move should not be done. If you do so, please note that Google Books, Scholar and News (archives search), and examination of the sources those turn up, are far better evidence for what is the common name than the number of Google (web) hits. In this way community consensus can determine what is the better title through a process that establishes a precedent. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Fuhghettaboutit, for the reasonable advice. This is my first time facing an issue like this, so I was freaking out. I have actually moved pages without any prior discussion, and have now decidedly learned my lesson, thanks to Haldraper. I hope it doesn't come to an edit war. I hope that if anyone honestly believes the article should be moved, that person now knows that there are other people who need to be taken into account. By the way, I like User:Philip Cross's work in cleaning the article up.--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Participation in the Free French Army

'she was awarded (what?) by the allied armies' Notreallydavid (talk) 22:27, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NYT source misquoted?

Barry Singer's article in the New York Times from Oct 17, 2008 doesn't give reasons to state "The war imposed a suspension of her marital and family duties but she managed to send her children from France to America, secretly moving across continents" -

but rather: "The baron joined de Gaulle’s Free French forces and was assigned to the Congo. At his instigation his wife next moved their two children to the United States, placing Patrick de Koenigswarter and his younger sister, Janka, with the Guggenheim family on Long Island. The baroness then somehow rejoined her husband in Africa with the Free French, serving in various capacities including ambulance driver and ending the war as a decorated lieutenant."

This should be corrected. Key word: his 'instigation' is contrary to 'managed to send her children ... secretly'. The latter focuses on an allegedly mis-marriage, while Barry Singer even elaborates how Koenigswarter's husband helped his wife to leave Paris when Nazi's invaded France.

Their marriage might not have been the best, as more often than not in aristocratic circles, however Baron de Koenigswarter obviously took care of his adventurous wife to the amount he could live up to.

Read Barry Singer's article here: The Baroness of Jazz https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/arts/music/19sing.html Haegar's (talk) 01:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]