Talk:Pale Rider

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Murray, Robin L.; Heumann, Joseph K. (2009). "Eco-Terrorism in Film: Pale Rider and the Revenge Cycle". Ecology and Popular Film: Cinema on the Edge. Horizons of Cinema. State University of New York Press. pp. 127–142. ISBN 0791476774.

Rewrite

I hope I didn't step on any toes in my rewrite of this article. There was some good information here, & it needed some focus for the quality to shine thru. -- llywrch 19:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

religous overtones

Reference to Psalm 23 as the prayer Sydney Penny is quoting from is incorrect. The full quote: "When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come and see." I looked and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hell was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." is from Revelation 6:7-8 as per http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse with the part in bold being the part that is audibly clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.216.98.192 (talk) 03:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Time period. In the opening sequence, Colt Single-Action-Army revolvers can be seen. These were not introduced until 1873, so the movie can resonably be said to take place after 1873. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.216.1.25 (talk) 17:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anytime you want to cite the date of the film, feel free. Your observations and/or expertise cannot be utilized. - 207.181.229.217 (talk) 01:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the film dialogs somebody talks about past events that took place in 1948. The movie apparently plays in the 1950s. They also use relatively modern mining technology like high-pressure water. Hgmichna (talk) 07:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hydraulic mining of the type used in the film was first conducted in California in 1853. Per the Wikipedia article on hydraulic mining. Considering the history of that method, it could be anywhere from 1880-1890.Wzrd1 (talk) 02:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Neo-Western films

Since the movie plays in the 1950s, I think it should be re-classified from Western films to Neo-Western films. Any objections? Hgmichna (talk) 07:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? It is clearly a 19th Century setting! !950s?! Where are the cars, trucks and planes? Telephones? What??? Daisyabigael (talk) 17:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Not sure where Hgmichna is coming from. I am not saying I disbelieve the utility of the neo-western descriptive (it shares that with other, slick iunterpretations of the American western provided by Silverado, Young Guns, Posse and Bad Girls), I am saying that some citation classifying it as such is going to be needed - extraordinary statements require extraordinary citation. - 207.181.229.217 (talk) 02:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pale Rider reviews

Thought this might make finding citable review information a lot easier to find. - 207.181.229.217 (talk) 02:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lead-in

Practically the entire first paragraph is pure original research:

Lead-in paragraph

This movie has uncanny plot similarities to the classic Western Shane (1953). Both films feature rural families settled on the outskirts of a town infiltrated with a villanous organization which is determined to rid the region of the families for economic reasons. Both feature a three member family (husband, wife and child) in which the father is the community leader against the villians, but to no avail until a "stranger" or outsider mysteriously rides through town and assists the settlers. The mother becomes attracted to the stranger, but remains faithful to her husband; and, the child idolizes the stranger calling after him as he leaves at the film's end. Both feature a settler who goes into town alone determined to take on the whole outfit, only to be humiliated and finally shot in cold blood in the street. And in both films the villians employ a "hired gun" to intimidate and control the settlers, until a final showdown where the stranger kills the hired gun and then rides out of town. The film also bears similarities to Eastwood's previous Man with No Name character, and his 1973 western High Plains Drifter. The title is a reference to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, as the rider of a pale horse is Death.

If there's no objection, I'm simply going to remove it in a few days. –Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 03:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost

While I won't dispute the fact that the Preacher is a ghost, the following sentence is pure inaccuracy:

However, at the end of the film as the Preacher rides off in the distance, he suddenly dissolves and disappears into the air, reinforcing the 'ghost' personification of the character.

I just watched the movie. That statement is simply false (unless there's a scene I've not seen in the half-dozen times I've seen the movie on cable). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.29.7 (talk) 00:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've watched this film several times and I know for a fact he doesn't disappear. I haven't read through this article though, but if you haven't removed that sentence, I'll go ahead and do it. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 02:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have it on DVD and have watched it many, many times. He never disappeared in it. As for ghost, he may have recovered. In one scene, his shirt is off and he displays scars that correspond to the Stockburn's method of execution, the circular pattern, but lacks the final wound that Stockburn deliveredWzrd1 (talk) 02:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shane

As the article points out, there are several parallels to the classic film "Shane" (the scene in which The Preacher and Hull attempt together to smash the rock echoing the famous scene in "Shane" in which Shane and Starrett work together to remove the tree stump, and of course the climactic scene), but has Eastwood (or anyone else) confirmed that this was his actual intention? --Partnerfrance (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Very belated comment: The Shane references have been removed as of the article's current version, but there are RS's around noting the similarity, so the references should go back in. --Middle 8 (talk) 10:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kind of related to this, there's this section (which I gather has been kind of floating around in 2010, judging by the comment above): "The plot contains uncanny similarities to the 1953 film Shane. [...]" Uncanny? Really? What's uncanny about it? That makes it sound like there's some kind of a incredible and mysterious coincidence happening here, even though Shane is a well-known classic. A much newer film contains similarities? How is that strange? -- 88.114.251.189 (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Supernatural Section

I think this is wildly over the top and contains much OR. I can find no sourse for the clim that Stockburn is associated with English dragons - and even if it was, so what? Where is the evidence that has anything to do with the film. It is a common surname. You might just as well draw conclusions from the word "stock" - capitalism and "burn" - in hell? It is pure conjecture - even if it is someone else's.

The whole section smacks of POV.

I'll take it out again, unless someone would like to have a go making it more acceptable.Daisyabigael (talk) 11:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My edits were based on this source Clive Marsh, Gaye Ortiz, Explorations in theology and film: movies and meaning, Blackwell Publishers 1997 (reprint 2001), p. 68. It was not OR. "Dragons" were added in this edit, it was unreferenced, and probably it was OR. I was not careful at that time. In August I had wiki-break. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC) Ok. Cheers. Daisyabigael (talk) 16:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Move the quotation mark in

   "You can't serve God and Mammon, Mammon being money."

like

   "You can't serve God and Mammon", Mammon being money.

217.128.37.173 (talk) 13:54, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: I think both parts were spoken in the movie, so the quotation should encompass the entire sentence. Altamel (talk) 17:13, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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To take the quotes around the character name of "Preacher" so that it reads as just Preacher 174.114.225.144 (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you. --Stabila711 (talk) 20:23, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Man With No Name?

Reviews I saw when this movie came out, as well as the Pale Rider Trivia page on IMDb, seem to think that the Preacher is a reprise of the character from Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy.

I've never seen anything definitive from Leone or Eastwood, so I don't know if I should add it. JasCollins (talk) 08:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]