Talk:Pánfilo de Narváez

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Texas History is really boring —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.125.76 (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Opposition to Cortés

The article mentions an expedition "to Mexico in 1520 to oppose Hernán Cortés," but nothing more about this expedition. Can someone add more information? Karl gregory jones (talk) 22:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

13 years later in 2022 I will add a link — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.38.155.134 (talk) 08:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LEAD

The function of the lead of an article is to give a summary of the topic that can stand alone. I.e. the lead of a biographical article should describe the main events in the persons life and particularly those for which he is known. Narvaez is known for his embarrassing defeat to the the vastly outnumbered Cortes and his death during the bothced florida expedition. So that should obviously be mentioned in the lead. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But the lead is not a summary of the rest of the article. It seems to consume over half of the text in the article. I suggest that the details there be transferred into a section or sections below, with the lead reserved for a summary. Right now I, as a reader without any previous knowledge of the person, find the detail far too excessive in the beginning and it deters me from reading about this very interesting historical figure. Coretheapple (talk) 13:25, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say that the way the article is currently written it is going to be very hard to untangle this, and unbundle the lead of all its detail, but it really has to be done. Coretheapple (talk) 13:32, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Be my guest. I saw an article about Panfilo de Narvaez that didnt include the main events for which he is notable and I added them with sources. That is as far as I am interested in contributing to this article at present. Sturcture the article as you wish but I suggest you look at the MOS and GA/FA quality articles about historical personalities. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:50, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was just asked to give my opinion. I simply don't have enough interest in the subject matter to engage in that much work. I'm just here because I was asked my opinion by another editor. I wonder, though, if perhaps reverting to an earlier version might not be a simple interim solution. Coretheapple (talk) 00:41, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, not if that is a version that is neither informative nor in keeping with the MOS. Sourced material can be removed if its factuality is challenged or if it is thought to give undue weight to fringe views, but not simply because you think it is "poorly written". Corinne can edit the prose if she likes instead of just reverting without a valid reason and then complaining at her friends' talkpages. You could also give some actual sggestions on how to improve the prose instead of just a generic complaint about the quality wich is not really actionable. I am in fact literate in English. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 14:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to get huffy. I was asked for an opinion and complied. You do have a point, procedurally. The best practice in such a situation is to ask for a third opinion rather than going to specific individuals. Also it is usually best to discuss such things initially on the talk page before going for help. Coretheapple (talk) 15:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Year of Birth

There are reliable sources giving both 1470 and 1478 as year of birth, it is not immediately clear to me what primary source is used for either of those claims so for the present I have included both claims untill it can be established which year is more likely to be correct.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 16:25, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vague

I feel the article lacked many descriptive factors. Narvaez and his men were in desperate need of more supplies. For example, when Narvaez and his men took off from Florida in four different rafts, they had to melt down the metal from their guns in order to make them. CaraTop PR4C4R41H0 (talk) 21:37, 7 September 2017 (UTC)CaraTop PR4C4R41H0[reply]

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Disappearance and presumed death

this article suggests Narvaez and a small group of his men were swept out to sea and never seen again. Cabeza de Vaca in Relacion suggests a similar end but footnote 15 on page 69 in the 1993 version from Arte Publico Press suggests Narvaez was not carries out to sea but abandoned his men. The footnote does not cite a source. does anyone have any additional information on this? Smog Strangler (talk) 17:43, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]