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Ozzy's future progressive rock opera

On the official documentary that was aired in Australia, Ozzy will be writing a rock opera in the next year or so, "Its something I have always loved and wanted to do, its now my chance" - ozzy --Coheed56 (talk) 12:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Also Ozzy doesn't just do heavy metal. He does a little bit of pop and disco sounding which isn't bad at all

Nationality

This question has been driving me nuts for years.. is he British? American? or both? ~~Kevin~~ 07/07/22

Heh, you're kidding, right? He's unmistakably English. Air.dance 14:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

i know he's unmistably English, but what passports do the Osbournes & their kids hold? Just British ones? or American too? They have homes in both countries right? ~~Kevin~~ 07/10/06 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.14.16.41 (talk) 12:27, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

They have duel nationalities, He is english, born in England. He however has an American VISA too. --Coheed56 (talk) 12:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Addicitons

It's amazing that Ozzie was thrown out of Black Sabbath for drinking and drug abuse. That is like being thrown out of the KKK for being too racist. :) Anjouli 14:53, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I think it's a tad ludicrous to include the statement "He successfully beat his addictions and has been sober since 1991." If Ozzy's been sober since 1991, I'm having an affair with Angelina Jolie! Ozzy has publically admitted falling off the wagon and drinking heavily while Sharon was first diagnosed with cancer, and he was shown on his own show drinking wine, for God's sake.

Lyrics

Did ozzy write his own lyrics/any of black sabbaths?i oknow geezer is credited as sabbaths lyric writer but if so, why does ozzy get song writing credits?

Geezer did write most of the lyrics, as well as Tony on a few songs. But I'm sure Ozzy wrote some songs, or at least had an input in Sabbath's lyrics and music, that could be where the credits come from. Because when you think about it, theres so many similarities in his lyrics from his work in Sabbath to his solo stuff, it's hard to think he didn't play his part.

Most of the Ozzy solo song lyrics from the first few albums are by bassist Bob Daisley. Ozzy contributed a few lines or song ideas, but Rhoads/Daisley were the main creative force. Cheers Harryurz (talk) 19:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

According to Geezer Ozzy wrote the lyrics for the song Black Sabbath, based on events that happened to Geezer. Also, the only person saying Bob Daisley wrote most of the lyrics on Ozzy's first two albums is Bob himself, hardly a reliable source.121.72.245.138 (talk) 13:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Paranoid

This says that Paranoid's "cover art featured a man with a pig snout brandishing a sword." As far as I know, there's no version of the cover art where the sword-brandishing man has a pig snout. If anyone out there is even more certain of this than I am, please edit that description.

I think that was just exaggeration. The album was supposed to be called War Pigs, but the labels couldn't allow it, so Paranoid was chosen. The rest is history!Sposato (talk) 17:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The art on the SINGLE for paranoid features a drawing similar to the cover art for the album, & this single's art features a pig.121.72.245.138 (talk) 13:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Metal Fans

"Ozzfest was a quick hit with metal fans, allowing groups like Incubus and Papa Roach during the same decade."

Any idea what that's trying to say? Salsa Shark 11:27, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

What does it mean that Osbourne should be given "freedom of the city"? David.Monniaux 07:28, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

See Freedom of the City Shantavira 10:35, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It's like Key to the City, basically.Sposato (talk) 17:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

biting the head off of a bat

I think that there's a mistake on this page. It says Ozzy bit off the head of a dove. My sources say it was the head of a bat, and that only happened because a fan threw one on stage and Ozzy mistook it for a toy bat! - Lara

He's reportedly bit the head off both a bat and a dove. Maximus Rex 01:56, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

He bit the head of a dove during his record signing. This was what started the whole "Bit the head of the toy bat" thing.

Actually, he bit the heads off of two doves, one inside the building at his record signing and another outside. He also bit the head of a bat at one of his concerts. The craziest thing I've heard of him doing is snorting a line of ants. I also heard a story of him taking a shit on an elevator.207.157.121.50 03:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)mightyafrowhitey -HunterKiller

Lol, that sounds like him. I was watching that show "Jack Osbourne - Adrenaline Rush", and he showed his pee in a water bottle, when they were in the ice cave. I swear, common decency wasn't something taught in Ozzy's family.

FTA: "Ozzy guest starred in the South Park episode "Chef Aid" and was the cause of Kenny's Death, he caused this by biting his head off, this is a parody of when he bit the head off a bat. /// Ozzy appeared in an episode of Family Guy and was part of a non-sequitur in which was about the censoring him biting off the heads of bats. So they showed an Ozzy concert but instead of a bat it was a sandwich, after which saying he was going to finish it later."

Biting the head off of a bat at a concert is something Ozzy is pretty well known for, it would be nice if Wikipedia could provide some facts and citations behind this "urban legend". ~ Strathmeyer 00:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Probably the most direct confirmation of the story of Ozzy biting the head off a bat will be found at a library with microfilmed archives of the Des Moines Register newspaper. Look on page 3A, column 4 of the Friday, January 22, 1982 edition for the article by Nick Lamberto entitled "Rock singer leaves D.M. with bat taste in mouth."

Rock singer Ozzy Osbourne left Des Moines Thursday with a $39,000 haul from a concert at Veterans Memorial Auditorium, a four-day supply of rabies vaccine and a bat taste in his mouth.

Osbourne reportedly put a dead bat in his mouth, bit its head off and threw it back into the crowd of 5,000 at the auditorium Wednesday [January 20, 1982] night.

Some skeptics think the whole thing was a publicity stunt--even the taking of the first of a series of five rabies shots at a Des Moines hospital after the concert.

But Mark Neal, 17, of 1525 S.E. Bell Ave., said he threw the dead bat onto the stage, saw Osbourne pick it up, bite its head off and then throw it into the audience.

"It really freaked me out," Neal said. "I won't get in any trouble for admitting this will I?"

After the show, Osbourne went to Mercy Hospital Medical Center, and was referred to Broadlawns Medical Center because rabies vaccine was available there.

Osbourne, listed as John M. Osbourne, 33, of Beverly Hills, Calif., was given a tetanus shot and a rabies shot and took enough rabies vaccine with him to complete the series, according to Winifred Barden, a supervisor at Broadlawns.

Pam Culver, another Broadlawns supervisor said Osbourne paid $500 to $600 in cash for the medical care and vaccine.

"If it was a joke or a publicity stunt, he sure put himself to a lot of trouble to do it," Culver said.

The article goes on with quotes from the mayor of Des Moines and a local police lieutenant and concludes by saying that Ozzy could not be reached for comment.--12.205.150.81 20:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Odd statements

He bit the head off of a bat, no? The article says he bit it off a Cat.

Also, 78 children in his family? That's extraordinary, and if true deserves some sort of explanation.

Not to mention the very first article where it is claimed he suffered from a learning disability, "Believed to be homosexuality". Since when was homosexuality a learning disability?

all of that is obviously vandalism, and you are obviously an idiot.65.43.211.192 17:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

lol, that was hilarious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.15.10 (talk) 07:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Sharon's Cancer

I can't believe there is no mention of the effect on Ozzy that Sharon's recent bout with cancer had. - signed by anon IP

I'm sure this is kept private by Ozzy and Sharon, unless a legitimate news source had it openly discussed. I've heard Sharon is in remission and almost beaten her cancer, but Ozzy did gone through sadness and grief like any person with a loved one striken with a life-threatening disease. Their marriage improved after Ozzy's drug-laden violent brawl with Sharon in 1989, and not surprisingly, they spoke out against the damaging effects of spousal abuse and domestic violence. It takes a lot of strength for an abused wife to recover and move on with her life, but a husband to admit he mistreated her and it's from drug abuse or emotional pain takes an equal amount of strength. Ozzy Osbourne is an example and testiment on the impact of drug/alcohol abuse wrecked marriages and families, also shared by Steven Tyler of Aerosmith on his struggles to overcome drugs and broken marriages, and not too far off the subject: The national focus on O.J. Simpson's ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson's murder as a victim of domestic violence was expressed by anti-OJ, women's rights and anti-domestic violence activists in the O.J. Simpson Case back in 1994/95. Celebrities are regular people, they deal with their own battles in life, and Ozzy Obsourne was affected by Sharon's cancer from a secondary degree. + 63.3.14.129 03:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ozzy's religious beliefs

He always wears crosses and stuff on pictures. What's his creed? Is he serious or is it more of a rock-image? I think this needs to be cleared up. EliasAlucard 13:32, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

He holds no particular religious affiliation, stating that his ideas on God and religion are personal and private. The crosses stem back to the original aluminum cross made for him by his father because Black Sabbath had been "cursed" by a "witch." The crosses are sort of a superstitious talisman; and, also, simply a part of his image now. Air.dance 05:12, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Given some of his lyrics (especially on "Master of Reality", his cross-wearing, and some of his statements (he's mentioned praying on a few occasions), I think it's pretty likely that he's a Christian of some (quite possibly idiosyncratic) sort. I don't have a source though. NoahB 20:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, this is pretty interesting. [1] It's an interview with Ozzy where he talks to a Christian magazine. He identifies himself as a Christian person but seems to take that definition *very* loosely. NoahB 20:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Ozzy Osbourne was born to an English Catholic family and it's reported in some Ozzy Osbourne interviews on his religious upbringing, he had a strong fascination with demons, exorcism, ghosts, spirituality, witchcraft, and whatever represented the "dark forces". He's not a devil worshipper or a Satanist, despite tabloid press claims on Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath band had those "subliminal messages" in records or audio cassettes on "we like to worship Satan" or "the devil". It's totally false and no real verification on the "Ozzy-Satan" connection. Who can understand whenever a record is played backwards, or effectively alter the sound systems on CD players when you gonna have inaudible sound static? I like to know who discovered his songs' hidden messages? +63.3.14.129 02:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

He's not a Satanist. Many say he's a non-practicing Christian. He himself never established his official religion to the public so the mystery still remains. Many people try to convince others that the whole gothic look is connected to his religious beliefs which is a false stereotype. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.24.184 (talk) 06:41, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

I've heard the same pretty much, infact, if you do look at some of Black Sabbath's lyrics, you can kinda tell of some Christian influence. "After Forever" and "Master of Reality" are two good ones. But to be honest, does it really matter? IronCrow 02:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, "After Forever" was written, music and lyrics, by Tony Iommi. Just to be clear on who wrote what. On the subject of Ozzy's religious beliefs, there certainly is a belief in God, at the very least. Why else would he continually say "God bless you all" at every single show? It's certainly a humble and gracious performer who is thankful for his audience.76.214.218.23 (talk) 01:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

"Parkin Syndrome" hoax?

There are virtually tens of tousands of pages reporting that Ozzy is diagnosed with Parkin Syndrome, but there's virtually zero hits for this disease when I tried a search engine. For example, try this search in Google: "Parkin Syndrome" -Ozzy -Osbourne. You get only 7 (seven!) pages. Does it mean the whole thing is a hoax? --rydel 11:53, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree that this should be edited. My suggestion (I can't change the page since it is semi-protected): Osbourne experienced tremors for some years and linked them to his continuous drug abuse. In May 2005 he found out it was actually due to a genetic condition, widely reported as "Parkin Syndrome," which is better known as a hereditary variant of Parkinson's disease (also less commonly called Parkin Disease). The source could be the good one offered below (http://www.neurocast.com/site/content/sessions_05_2004.asp). Additional sources for "better known" is as the user above suggested (Google "parkin syndrome" -ozzy -osbourne and there are very few hits). Vajrapoppy (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I just read an article online somewhere that said he recently got the smiley face tattoos on his knees, and that Jack had gotten the same tattoos first. If this is true, how could he have also given himself those tattoos while in prison when he was younger?

Ozzy got the tattoos earlier.. they can be seen on Diary of a Madman's cover.. And second.. Parkinsons; Disease might be what the person is going for, but again I've not heard him being diagnosed with Parkinsons' either.. --Drowse 04:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I think the confusion arises from the complexity of findings from recent genetic research into Parkinson's Disease showing a variety of Parkinson-like disorders caused by a mutation in what is being called the "Parkin" gene. Here's a bit of info (from [this website: http://www.neurocast.com/site/content/sessions_05_2004.asp]):

"Mutations in the parkin gene, on chromosome 6, were first identified in Japanese individuals with autosomal recessive juvenile parkinsonism. Many features of Parkinson disease including rigidity, tremor, bradykinesia, and postural imbalance characterized their disease.8 In 1998, Kitada and colleagues showed recessive, loss of parkin function was the cause of the disorder.9 Since its discovery, many different parkin mutations have been found in familial as well as sporadic cases from different origins including North America, Europe, Russia, and North Africa." --68.112.236.49 20:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

"Parkinsonism", a less than full form of Parkinson's disease, is very real; but that's NOT what Ozzy was diagnosed with. He was diagnosed with Essential Tremor (ET), which is just that; a rather common, heriditary neurological condition that causes mild to moderate action and postural tremors (not resting tremor, like Parkinson's). It is progressive, but usually very slowly, and in most people does not cause disability until maybe very late in life. Remember Uncle John at Thanksgiving and how his hand shook a little when he ate soup? That's ET. Senator Robert Byrd has the same thing, as do millions of others. It usually starts in early middle-age (40s). Some people take beta blockers to reduce the tremor, and there are now even surgical options for severe cases; but most people just deal with it since it is more of a cosmetic nuisance than a disability for them. I presume Ozzy falls into this category.

Please read about Parkinson's Syndrome and you will see that Parkin Syndrome is a form of Parkinson's but not as bad, i know as i was told this by my doctor when i went to him with the same issue as Ozzy (eg the tremoring of the hands) and my doctor told me i have Parkin Syndrome. Thuringowacityrep 04:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The Smiley Face Tatoos

Ozzy does have Smilies on his knees.

The rocker told US chat show host Conan O'Brien: "I hate being alone. I suffer from loneliness. So, I just got two little faces on my knees.

"When I'm p***ing people off they don't want to talk to me so I can always pretend they're alive and talk to them.

"My son (Jack) has just had it done - it's like a family tradition, an Osbourne family tradition."

['Lonely' Ozzy talks to his smiley knees]

File:Http://www.ozzyhead.com/tattoos/knee.jpg

Louis Osbourne merged here

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louis Osbourne. Johnleemk | Talk 14:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Rabies

It says that Ozzy contracted rabies, that is a lie. He bit the head of the bat, then days later a friend told him that bats usually carried such deceases as rabies. That freaked Ozzy out so much he immediately started a crazy Rabies vaccination thing. Where he actually took anti rabies pills for more than a year because he didn't want to get infected. He said it himself in an interview on the telly... - signed by anon IP

Ozzy never had rabies from the incident...it's a stupid rumor proven wrong over and over again. Now he received rabies shots to prevent any risk of catching the disease, it was a "live" or real bat carried germs and viruses (rabies) that are transmittable to humans. This took place in 1982, because today a rabies-infected person or anyone had an animal bite has less than two shots on the arm, not like 10 shots in the stomach.+ 63.3.14.129 03:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Removal of clean up tag

I have removed the clean up tag on this article. Alot of work has been done since it was tagged and I now feel it is at an acceptable standard. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 02:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The article is certainly acceptable, but some sections, such as the Controversy section NEED a LOT more details and dates. Right now readers (such as myself) have no idea as to when Ozzy did all these things. Id add it but I dont know enough about the subject. MrPMonday 00:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The article still has a LONG way to go. I've been tempted to write the entire thing over from scratch several times, but it's vandalized and edited by well-meaning but erroneous fans so often that I can never convince myself to undertake the project. Air.dance 00:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see how adding that Ozzy is from England is "vandalism"?

Rhoads's death

According to the article, "The pilot (also the tour bus driver) who was apparently trying to scare his ex-wife[citation needed] (who was also part of the Osbourne entourage) clipped the parked tour bus and crashed into a nearby house, killing himself, Rhoads, and the band's hairdresser." The Tribute CD case-insert says something contrary. I don't have it on hand, but I remember that it was along these lines: Rhoads was bored, so he hired the pilot to do mock dive-bombing. The clipping then occurred.Tyharvey313 08:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't recall anything like that in the Tribute liner notes...

"The Day The Music Died" at http://home.flash.net/~ulknatme/index.html has some fairly comprehensive newspaper articles and other material relating to Rhoads' death. The Rhoads article links to it. You might want to check it out. --ozzmosis 10:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I do remember a Guitar Player article where something along this line was printed. It did say a phrase, either by Randy's brother or by Ozzy himself, that said: "the driver had no business being there (as a pilot) because he had been driving through the night before", and probably mentioned the divebombs. Demf 17:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Also in the article: "His pilots license was also expired by many years." No big deal but in the U.S., pilot licenses don't expire (ever) -- they're issued for life. Of course, all pilots have to pass flight reviews every 2 years to stay current, and meet recent-experience requirements to fly, and have a current medical certificate (and those DO expire). David Norris 00:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was the bands seamstress, not the hairdresser who was killed along with them. She may have also been the hairdresser, but I remember Ozzy specificly saying seamstress in an interiew about the event. It also said seamstress on Randy's wiki-page. Also, there is no way Randy hired the pilot to do mock divebombing. Randy had a great fear of flying, and there are several interviews that said he didn't want to go on the plane at all, but he went because the seamstress had a heart condition, and didn't want to go alone. 75.173.19.250 (talk) 03:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Citations

I think it would be a good idea for whoever edits this page regularly to maybe put some citations here. There is a lot of disputible "information" here. 68.225.237.70 18:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Rick Wakeman confirmed the story about Ozzy putting on one of Sharon's dresses and going out, when he was a guest on a TV News Quiz Show. Does that count as a citation?

Dyn168 06:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Info doubled

The last paragraph of Tragedy strikes and the first paragraph of Recovery speak of the same (about Bernie Torme and Brad Gillis). I guess someone who knows the article should clean it up.

(Note: I was just peeking at the page for some info, i.e. I do not intend reading it entirely or fixing it myself.)

--Cyhatch 12:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

i deleted the entire Trivia section of this article. It serves no purpose in the long run of the project. Wikipedia is a Encyclopedia project, not a Fascinating Fact sheet. Kaobear 15:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Trivia sections can be found in thousands of Wikipedia music articles. If you take it on as a single user purpose to try and delete all of them without having talk page discussions you're likely to rough some feathers and find yourself blacklisted by Counter-vandalism users and veteran editors alike. Read WP:CON to get an understanding on Wikipedia concensus. I don't particularly care for trivia sections either. But....since are are such an anchored part of many Wikipedia articles...they should stay until concensus(especially among the articles regular editors) is reached. 142.166.233.246 13:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The trivia section wasn't deleted as of January 23, 2007. Is it true Ozzy Osbourne an his family (Sharon, their son Jack and their daughter Kelly) are members of a neo-pagan sect? They were practicing Catholics earlier in the marriage, but the family seem to openly wear notably pagan symbols (the pentogram necklaces, black dress on certain days, and discussed this "black magic" and "sorcery" stuff) on their reality TV show, The Osbournes. Anyone can verify what religion they practice? (and I understand this is a private matter, but many public figures spoke about their faith and religious background). I thought that would belong in the trivia section. + 63.3.14.129 02:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

i say the should have a section on how much he loves the beatles and how much they influenced him and sabbath —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakkman (talk • contribs) 08:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Ozzy picture

Surely there can be a better picture of Ozzy than that one where hes on a boat with Sharon. I mean......come orn! *Jimmy impression*

I have to agree, for a while it was changed to a better one, but then it changed back! Keep it to the studio photos! I don't know how to change it but maybe someone who does can, please?!? --Psychoman

Wikipedia likes to use free-use images, which means people have to take them and release them into the public domain. Hence the boat picture. Most pro photographers don't do this (they can't make money off it if it's in the public domain), so we don't use the publicity photos that you would see elsewhere. GhostPirate 17:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Infobox added, picture updated

I've added the musician infobox and scanned/uploaded a press pic that should fall under FUR -- the previous pic of Osbourne + wife offered little value to the article, IMO, and so has been replaced with the press shot. Air.dance 04:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks dude! Nice to see someone was listening. -58.165.156.68

Umm. someone edited the wiki anyone out there? It says some weird stuff about ozzy kisses someone? can someone revert it back.

Rhoad's Death and contradicting information

This is sort of miscellaneous, but nonetheless needs correcting. On this page it says: "The pilot (also the tour bus driver) who was apparently trying to disturb everyone who was asleep in the parked tour bus at the time (Ozzy included), clipped the left wing of the aircraft onto the bus and crashed onto a tree, then into a nearby house, killing himself, Rhoads, and the band's hairdresser, Rachel."

On Rhodes page it says: "Apparently, during the flight, an attempt was made to "buzz" the tour bus where the other band members were sleeping. They succeeded three times but the fourth time it went horribly wrong. The right wing clipped the right side of the tour bus by accident and crashed into a nearby mansion completely destroying the front."

Some accuracy on the crash and whether it was the left or right wing that clipped the bus could be useful. Maybe someone could find a source? 131.91.237.44 08:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Alamo

Why does Ozzy's arrest not appear in this article as it was widely reported at the time? It is quite a significant point on many anit-ozzy protestors, the fact that he urinated on a public building and was caught in the act, it even features in the Alamo's wiki page! Matt Zero 12:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Contradictory information

Does Ozzy have five children or six? The article section "Family and personal life" states he has five, and then lists six names. Also, in the next paragraph, Aimee is cited as being his "oldest daughter", however according to the previous paragraph, Elliot is his oldest child (although adopted), while Jessica is listed as his oldest daughter.STLocutus 15:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

N.B. Ozzy has five biological children and 1 adopted, in the article it states he is the father of five and the adopted father of 1. Matt Zero 16:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Could earlier work be considered Neo-Classical Metal?

Considering Randy Rhoads is listed as an important Neo-Classical guitarist on the page here on Wikipedia, could Ozzy's earlier work (First two albums) be considered Neo-Classical Metal? Or do the first two albums not qualify for what makes Neo-Classical what it is?

It doesn't really count as neo-classical, no. Compare those albums to something from, say, Yngwie Malmsteen or perhaps certain Rainbow songs? (Although, funnily enough, Bob Daisley played bass on those albums, and he joined up right from Rainbow, apparently.) 71.162.42.203 22:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that it could be considered Neo-Classical Metal. MAYBE it could be considered an INFLUENCE on that particular genre though. Randy was studying classical music and was incorporating it into the songs they were writing. And the popularity of those two early albums were instrumental in the resurgence of the heavy metal genre in the early 80s and influenced a lot, if not most of the metal musicians from that era. So a possible influence, but not actually part of the Neo-Classical genre. 164.214.1.54 12:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I must say.

That this:

On tuesday, May 15, 2007 Ozzy Osbourne performed his hit "I dont wanna stop" for WWE Smackdown live in Baltimore, MD in front of thousands of Baltimoreans and other Maryland natives. He will also appear on WWE Friday Night Smackdown toPerform "I Don't Want To Stop".

Is the most poorly written excuse for information I've ever read, so I fixed it. You're welcome. VelvetKevorkian 01:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Variety of English

I've done a brief copyedit, and changed the article to British English where necessary as according to the MoS. I've also removed material along the lines of "on May 14th 2007 he appeared on 'x' station and sang 'y' song". Christ, if we listed every time he did this, the article would be as long as War and Bloody Peace. 82.32.238.139 23:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

ozzy needs a new picture here he looks like an old man!!

He looks better since he cleaned him self up so i think we need to change it.

Ozzy's Death

This is totally disrespectful, not only to Ozzy himself, but people who read it, leading to a mixed reaction and initial shock. When I first read this, my heart stopped as I honestly thought he was dead, only when I looked for further proof did I find that it was false. Can someone please fix this problem, as I am not sure how to do it. Thankyou —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.160.77 (talk)

What are you on about? there's no such notation in the last three days.Salamurai 01:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

thats why i never really trust this site because of some immature vandels with no life.

Umm what is a 'vandel'? also thatwould be like christams if he died of drug overdose or drug related illness. Dappled Sage 19:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

A 'vandel' is a person 'thatwould' try and spoil 'christams', I suppose. The moral here is, 'people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'. :> 86.129.10.125 (talk) 02:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)AL

band members?

List band members!

ozzys solo career!

ok so this is acuratte, but also misses complete sections including ozzys marraige before sharon and info on randy rhoads! we need the other half of the story! b/c were only getting half, believe i saw behind the music on VH1 and there is more! and behind the music confirms sources, so this needs a major update!

Well what are you waiting for mate ...get into it and do the update and i can help you along the way if you want as i have every DVD doc that ozzy has put out plus the ones that he hasn't. lets get it updated.....anyone else want to help? Thuringowacityrep 05:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

hey!

i took a picture off the page because it needs a better one i said it here before and whats this fruit cake messaging me that it was vandalism!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Woooooooo (talk • contribs)

Wrong informaton

from the Moulin Rouge! wikipedia article:

Kylie Minogue makes a cameo as "the Green Fairy", appearing in Christian's hallucinations as he drinks absinthe. Originally the character's portion of the film was intended to be longer and use Ozzy Osbourne's voice to replace Minogue's as the absinthe drives Christian deeper into hallucinations. The only remnant of Osbourne's voice is the scream the Green Fairy utters as her eyes turn red and the camera pulls into the Moulin Rouge.

but it says in this article:

Ozzy was the voice of the 'Green Fairy' in Moulin Rouge.

This is misleading, it should be clarified. Thoughts?

What exactly is this saying?

"Although the songs were written and performed by the same four band members who created Blizzard of Ozz, the internal album art and credits were seemingly given to Osbourne's new touring band consisting of the singer and Rhoads, along with bassist Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot) and drummer Tommy Aldridge, formerly of Black Oak Arkansas."

When it says "the same four band members who created Blizzard of Ozz", who exactly do they mean? The members of Necromandus were never named, and the link simply redirects to the Ozzy article. Also, I believe citations are called for.

yeah

i re-worded somethings and moved some sections so the flow on the article would make more sense. It was kind of all of the place before. I left most of it the same though.

Glam metal?

The Ultimate Sin and part of the Bark At The Moon album were very glam. In the mid 80's Ozzy, just like Aerosmith, Judas Priest, Alice Cooper, Van Halen, and the likes, did experiment with glam, so I think that should be listed as one of his genres.

Glam metal isn't a musical style... it's a look. The intention of the genre field is to be brief and avoid overkill or superfluity. Saying an artist was glam metal is really just saying the artist played heavy metal music... and they had big hair while doing it. And so... since the rule of the infobox is to be brief... and heavy metal is already in the box... no more information required. It's an encyclopedia... not some teen-twit book report. 156.34.209.221 01:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

if its just a style then why does it have metal in the name? if it were a style it would be called glam, not glam metal. metal is a type of music, so there for so is glam metal.Crownofworms 20:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

These sad, boring debates get tired rather quickly. LuciferMorgan 21:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh... no, glam metal is a sub-genre of metal music. Just like hard rock is a sub-genre of rock, and that's in the info box. You don't have to have big hair to be glam metal, you have to have it to fit the slang term "hair metal." Glam is a style of music, not just a look. Look at Wikipedia's article on glam metal for more information.

thank you! atleast someone agrees. every time a genre becomes mocked, a bunch of idiots start calling it a "look" and claim its not a music genre. just look at emo. and nu metal. if it refers to music, then there for its a genre. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crownofworms (talk • contribs) 19:40, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

http://www.youdontknowemo.tk for starters. You shouldn't debate music if you don't know anything about it. Metal (or heavy metal OR hard rock ((yep, that's right kids, hard rock is a synonym to heavy metal))) is a scene. Just like in the punk scene, or any other scene, you'll find a lot of variations in the music and looks of its fans. But to say Ozzy ever did anything near "glam" (or "Sleaze", which I think you're actually trying to refer to) is a vast wrongful statement. Ozzy is a heavy metal artist. Nothing more, nothing less. One of the inventors of the genre, too. Take care out there crazy hair! --JimEerie (talk) 09:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

oops

i accidentally changed ozzy's genre to Nu metal, but i changed it back. my bad guys.:D

Stop deleting hard rock

Not all of Ozzy's input is heavy metal. In fact, after Diary OF A Madman, most of his material is hard rock, with the exception of a few songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.225.143 (talk) 16:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree with you about Ozzy being hard rock, but I think of it the exact opposite. I think of Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman being hard rock or heavy rock, and everything after them being heavy metal.

--Rock Soldier 02:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Not really. Bark At The Moon and The Ultimate Sin were basically glam albums, No Rest For The Wicked was 100% hard rock, No More Tears was like half metal half hard rock, Ozzmosis was basically ballads and a little metal, and everything after that could be disputed; I'd call it hard rock. It doesn't matter anyway, hard rock should still be there. Comparitively, most of Ozzy's work is more rock sounding than what he did in Black Sabbath. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.225.143 (talk) 02:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, hard rock definately should be on there. But I find this interesting. I really do see everything after Diary Of A Madman as heavy metal, cause it's got all the elements: distorted guitars, heavy riffs, thundering drums, and shredded guitar solos featuring lots of palm mute and speed build-ups. The first two albums follow closely behind, but I just don't think they're quite there. If you ask me, the first two albums are more heavy metal like Iron Maiden, while the others are more like Metallica. On the first two, the riffs are fairly heavy, the guitars are somewhat distorted, and the solos are almost shred, but I wouldn't quite call them that. I mean, don't get me wrong, this is Randy Rhoads we're talking about, he's the master, but it's not quite the same sort of playing that your typical shred guitarist does. And I don't just mean all the classical elements of his playing, it's just not quite shred. The drums definately are thunderous though.

It's for reasons like this that I say No Rest For The Wicked and No More Tears are heavy metal. I mean, if you really just listen to them you can hear how much heavier they are than the first two albums. I'd also say Bark At The Moon is heavy metal, but I suppose I could agree with you about The Ultimate Sin being glam rock (though I don't really know that album very well, I just know that Shot In The Dark went in a more glam rock direction). Ozzmosis did have a lot of ballads, like My Little Man and Old L.A. Tonight, but it also had some really heavy songs like Perry Mason and Thunder Underground. Down To Earth also had some really heavy ones like Facing Hell and Gets Me Through. I don't have many of the songs from Under Cover, so I don't really know how heavy that was (but it doesn't really matter, cause it wasn't even his own material), but Black Rain is 100% metal. I would even go so far as to call some of it industrial metal.

--Rock Soldier 21:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Most of Ozzy's heavist songs (Mr. Crowley, Diary Of A Madman, Over The Mountain, Suicide Solution, the opening riff to Crazy Train, and Believer) all came from his first two albums. Those were the true heavy metal albums. And Ozzy was never like Metallica, since Metallica is thrash metal. Ozzy never went that route. Some songs on Bark At The Moon and the entire Ultimate Sin album were 100% glam. No Rest For The Wicked, I don't see anything metal on it at all, it is exactly what hard rock should sound like. This isn't to say Ozzy doesn't have some metal songs after 1982... there's always Bark At The Moon, Perry Mason, Mr. Tinkertrain, No More Tears, Facing Hell, ect), but he has many more hard rock/power ballads. I don't understand why hard rock keeps getting deleted. Does anyone honestly think Mama I'm Coming Home is metal? Or Ozzy's many other ballads? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.225.143 (talk) 02:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I really wouldn't say those songs you listed are his heaviest. Particularly not Diary Of A Madman: that one's at least half acoustic. When I think of a metal artist's heaviest songs, I think of some blasting, screaming, distorted, insane song which probably matches up best to Not Going Away at this point. Before Black Rain was released, I don't know what it would have been, but it must have been something from the later albums. That's why I consider the later stuff heavier: the songs come closer to matching up to that description than the early ones.

I know Ozzy didn't go down the same route as Metallica considering that Metallica were thrash metal, but I just meant that the later songs were heavy like them. Speed aside, it's fairly similar with the amounts of distortion, shred, and heaviness of the drums. But if you want an album by Metallica that really matches up, take the Black Album for example. By that point, Metallica's music had calmed down and it was just plain heavy metal, but it was still heavy. If you listen to the Black Album and No Rest For The Wicked (etc.), you'll find more in common between them than No Rest For The Wicked and Back In Black, Led Zeppelin II, or Machine Head - all of which are REAL hard rock albums.

But don't even get me STARTED about people calling songs like Mama, I'm Coming Home metal. Though that one does have some elements of metal in it during the part where the drums come in and the guitars get all distorted, it still drives me crazy to see people call songs that are SO obviously ballads in every way (like Dreamer) heavy metal, just because they're by a heavy metal artist. I've tried to correct the genre for things like that on numerous pages, but it always gets reverted because it's "not referenced". When it's as plain to see as this that the song's not metal, it shouldn't need to be referenced!

--Rock Soldier 21:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I provided a reference saying Ozzy is hard rock. Hopefully this stays, now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.225.143 (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Band Members

Can someone compile a list of all the band members Ozzy's band has had over the years along with their instruments? I'm hoping to be able to add them all to his template, but the article only lists the guitarists.

--Rock Soldier 02:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Anyone know the name of his current touring keyboardist? I saw him in concert a few days ago, but didn't catch the guy's name. And since the page only lists guitarists, that doesn't really tell you anything, but I wanna add it to the template.

--Rock Soldier (talk) 22:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

re the clean up edit on talk page

I guess some people just don't have a heart and won't let the wiki rules slide just a little bit so that a disabled guy can try to get his wish, unreal....Sorry John —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thuringowacityrep (talk • contribs) 09:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

3RR

2 users are repeatedly changing what he released into the crowd from doves to bats and vice-versa. I am sure WP:3RR has already been breached. George D. Watson (Dendodge).Talk^Help 17:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The IP that keeps changing the links to bats is simple vandalism and can be reverted as often as req'd. Admin Glass Cobra's revert was a good faith mistake. 156.34.142.110 (talk) 17:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

solo band lineups

i found a list of basically every single minor change in ozzys band. it a lot to transfer over i may do it later in the day if i have time. here is the link for anyone who wants to transfer it over.

http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,6654.sm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.54.188 (talk) 07:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

added all band lineups from the original less known lineup to the current lineup.

please add boxes and organize better. the lineups are real and in order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.54.188 (talk) 18:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The line-ups list is quite long even if it was "boxed up". Should it be broken off as a separate article like the List of Black Sabbath band members or the List of Iron Maiden band members ??? Libs (talk) 17:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Zakk in '95

In the list of his guitarists it doesn't list Zakk Wylde in '95, which he obviously was, since he recorded (& co-wrote) Ozzmosis. He didn't go on tour for the album, but he was still there & should be listed (especially since Vai is listed, & he never performed with Ozzy, and only one of the songs they wrote together ended up on the album, with Wylde playing it). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.245.138 (talk) 14:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I would say that whole list should be removed, and be made into something else, since there's just no facts to back it up. It's just a bunch of dates and people. --Elizabeth Bathory (talk) 17:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Citation of academic article

I have been trying to add a reference to the Controversy section of this Ozzy article. The reference in question directly relates to the issue of the controversial accusations leveled against Ozzy that he is a Satanist. The referenced article compares these accusations against Ozzy to those leveled against occultist Aleister Crowley, about whom Ozzy sang (Mr. Crowley). The referenced article further relates this comparison to prevailing Christian attitudes. This article is clearly of interest to readers and relates directly to the subject of Controversy, specifically relating to Satanism. Furthermore, the article in question is an academic article, published in an academic, peer-reviewed academic. Reasons for rejecting the addition have centered on the notability of the author, but I argue that it is not the author who is being cited here, specifically, but the issues raised in his article. Further, a Google search for the article finds at least one independent source citing this article as well. As an academic article of direct relation to the controversies surrounding Ozzy, I think it ought to be included in the Ozzy Osbourne article. The wording I have been trying to insert is quoted here, with link to the article in question:

"At least one scholar has compared the controversy surrounding Ozzy and accusations of Satanism to the reknowned occultist, Aleister Crowley, and how both were demonized by the media and the Christian Right for their antics. [2] "Wikigonish (talk) 20:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Whether the source publication meets and sort of Wikipedia criteria makes no difference here. The article is composed by Christopher M. Moreman Ph.D. candidate who just happens to be..???... who??? with credentials to speak on the subject from where??? The aithor is an absolute unknown. It may as well have been written by John Q. Highschool-student. And the content itself that the link is trying to support doesn't really add anything constructive to the article at all. It's just the PH.D candidate trying to promote himself and using Wikipedia as his free soapbox to try and add as many links to himself as he can. These repeated contributions are actually worth reporting to Wikipedia Administration and to the WP:COI noticeboard so that any other links to this non-notable author trying to advertise himself on Wiki can be tracked down and removed. Libs (talk) 19:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, the author in question is no longer a PhD candidate, but a professor of Religious Studies; the article is several years old obviously. A Google search of the author will turn up numerous other references in other areas, so this is not a PhD candidate advertising himself. So, if you are worried about credentials, the author has them because 1) he has a PhD, and was obviously working on it when he published this article, 2) the journal itself published the article, which means it was reviewed by academic editors and approved. Wiki libs and Anger22 have both accused me of a COI, but have not explained where the COI actually occurs. The article about Ozzy is relevant to the discussion of controversy; the article to I Am Legend is a legitimate review, which has now been acknowledged by a third party on that article's talk board. So, what is the problem here? Re-read the COI guidelines and you will see that there is no COI going on here. Furthermore, the argument against notability fails given the points mentioned above both in relation to the article being linked and the author himself.Wikigonish (talk) 20:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Note: I have changed the wording in the article in order to better explain the significance of the link in question, as per Wikilibs' concern over the content of the Ozzy article that the link is meant to support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigonish (talk • contribs) 20:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Christopher, the COI occurs because you personally are linking yourself into Wikipedia. Regardless of your credentials posting your own opinion in the way that you are is gaming the system to try and self promote and soapbox yourself. That's where the COI issue is. Libs (talk) 21:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

That's what I figured was going on, but I wanted someone to come out and say it. Firstly, I'm not him. I know him, but I'm not him. Secondly, COI doesn't automatically invoke if one DOES cite one's self. Wikipedia guidelines allow for academics to cite themselves. In this case, I happen to be aware of the work by this particular academic and think that in the instances where I've referenced it, it is relevant. My argument against the COI is basically that there simply is no COI here because the references do not conflict with the interests of the Wikipedia encyclopedia intentions. Nobody is making any money or selling any product, nobody is advertising anything. All that is being cited are academic articles that are already out in the public sphere. Both articles I've referenced I found online, so there is no extra noteriety going on here.Wikigonish (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"Occupation"

Ozzy is not a Singer-Songwriter. Singer, yes; songwriter, occasionally; singer-songwriter, definitely not. A singer-songwriter is somebody who composes and arranges the majority of one's work, while playing and singing it as well. Throughout his career Ozzy has contributed very little to the creative production of the material he sings. Both as a member of Black Sabbath and as a solo artist, he has relied on bandmembers to create the music and many of the lyrics. Perhaps most importantly, he does not play an instrument, which is pretty much required if one is to be categorized as a singer-songwriter. I changed "singer-songwriter" to "musician" as the latter is accurate, but it was reverted to the inaccurate label. Musician may not be the best label, and if someone can think of a better one then it should be used. But it is correct, whereas singer-songwriter is not, so it is preferable. I am going to change it back to musician once more, and urge anyone who wishes to undo it to consider exactly what a singer-songwriter is, because Ozzy is certainly not one. 69.249.55.6 (talk) 19:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Musician is more inaccurate than Singer/songwriter, since Ozzy has only played an instrument on one track (he played the harmonica on 'The Wizard' on Black Sabbath's debut album), yet has written or co-written many more. Also, the idea that someone needs to be able to play an instrument to write a song is ludicrous. According to Geezer Butler, who wrote most of the lyrics for Black Sabbath, Ozzy came up with ALL the vocal melodies while in that band. On top of that, many of the claims that he did very little regarding the writing of songs comes from Bob Daisley, who's claims have been thrown out of court every time he raises them, since no one will corroborate his version of events. Calling him a songwriter is accurate.121.72.245.138 (talk) 13:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Band lineups is a mess

I propose that it is removed, since it's just a bunch of people, no references, and most likely a copy/paste. Erzsébet Báthory_{(talk|contr.)} 16:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, and since nobody has disagreed, the material is unsourced and contravenes WP:NOT, it goes. --Rodhull andemu 16:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I changed this because it looked awful.

I changed this-In August 2008, Osbourne stated on USA Today that he intends to retire from his music career after two more albums to make the most of life now he is turning 60 in December. I changed it to read-In August 2008, Osbourne stated in USA Today that he intends to retire from his music career after two more albums. I would think that he stated in USA Today,not on. And I took out the last bit because it was a run on sentence and it looked bad.--70.149.134.54 (talk) 02:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

No More Tears and Ozzy's retirement

I remember when No More Tears came out I heard on Seattle radio that if No More Tears didn't sell well, Ozzy Osbourne would retire. Because of this I think the album sold extremely well, so Ozzy never retired cause of it. I didn't see this in the article, so I wanted to get some clarification. 24.68.50.33 (talk) 23:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

What tenth album?

in the template there's a "Untitled tenth studio album", is that true or "it's just a prankster messing around"? (Deathmagnetic08 (talk) 17:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC))

Ozzy is supposedly going to release a new album. I didn't add it to the template, but I do remember mentions of it when he was on the Black Rain tour. Undead Warrior (talk) 11:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

wtf, you again? --Deathmagnetic08 (talk) 17:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't start this again. I'm involved in most of the metal related articles so get used to it. I've done it for a long time. Undead Warrior (talk) 16:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

A look at WP:CRYSTAL might be useful here. --Rodhull andemu 12:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding associated acts

You can look at this in two ways. Ozzy as a solo person, or Ozzy as in the Ozzy Osbourne band. If this is indeed the Ozzy Osbourne band, then Pride & Glory and Black Label Society does belong on there, as they are both acts that has spun off due to inactivity in the band. Erzsébet Báthory_{(talk|contr.)} 09:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

So they're associated acts to Zakk Wylde. I see where you are coming from. But as a spin off those acts are side projects for one of Ozzy's hired hands... not Ozzy directly. The associated acts field is one of the most misundertstood fields in the box(origin is the one used incorrectly most of the time) The Megadeth article, because there have been so many band members, is always ripe with useless overkill and superfluity. And this page, similarly, because editors think of Ozzy's band rather than Ozzy himself, gets the same treatment. Bob Daisley has been in 6 or 7 different bands since he was fired by Ozzy. Are those bands associated acts because they never would've existed had Ozzy/Sharon been such money mongering arsewipes trying to screw Bob out of the money they owed him? The Real Libs-speak politely 12:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion in Guitar Hero: World Tour

Ozzy has been announced as a playable character (Singer) in the upcoming game, Guitar Hero: World Tour. Guitarhero.com and Youtube have released footage of Ozzy's motion capture (Mo-Cap) experience. He, his current lead Guitarist Zakk Wylde (Who is also a playable chacter, Guitar), original songs, Crazy Train and Mr. Crowley, and Ozzfest will be in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.225.186.157 (talk) 21:16, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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pants

Is he wearing the same pants, thirty-five years later?

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1973

Obviously not, but just an interesting observation. 216.163.255.1 (talk) 14:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Unimportant as it may be since Ozzy does alot of odd things here and there, I've only noticed him in the new World of Warcraft advert and it isn't noted anywhere on the internet, or at least Wiki.84.92.16.13 (talk) 14:03, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

hard rock

how is ozzy hard rock .Seth4000 (talk) 10:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)Seth4000

Well, he was in Black Sabbath, & to quote Tony Iommi "I always considered us a heavy rock band... I don't know where Heavy Metal came from". One of the things you'll find with musicians is that they often define their music quite differently to what the public might... especially with the growing hundreds of sub genrés around these days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.245.138 (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Grammy

Why is there no mention of his Singles Grammy win? http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Grammy_Awards_of_1994

I see he is placed under the category of Grammy award winners but it is not mentioned anywhere in the article. Revrant (talk) 04:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Added -J04n (talk) 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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