Talk:Ownership of Rangers F.C./Archive 1

Archive 1

Reason for redirecting

This is duplicating an article that already exists so redirected Spiritofstgeorge (talk) 10:31, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Current shareholders

Ally McCoist admitted he doesn't own any shares at the moment http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9506586/Ally-McCoist-prepares-to-buy-stake-in-Rangers.html I would update page but on my phone. If not done later I'll fix it myself anyway. BadSynergy (talk) 12:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

However just read Daily Record article and it states McCoist is NOW a stakeholder but doesn't specify how much. BadSynergy (talk) 12:33, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Wage cap

Rangers' owners are planning to impose a strict wage cap and sharply increase season ticket prices as a key part of their share offering. STV — Preceding unsigned comment added by BadSynergy (talk • contribs) 23:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The First Three Sub Headers of History are Irrelevant to Topic

The first three sub headers are irrelevant to the topic of the history of The Rangers Football club as they relate to RFC 2012 plc, incorporated in 1899.

The Rangers Football club was formed in 2012 and therefore the history of The Rangers Football club relates to the past months since it's creation. There are people who argue that The Rangers football club bought the history of RFC 2012, however, it is not possible to buy history and no club can say that they were formed on another date and won honours, no matter what agreement is made with the club that was formed on said date and won said honours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.159.98.15 (talk) 11:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

This is your wp:pov reliable sources say they bought history we dnt do wp:or or take our own wp:pov if you didslike it take it toa rangers frum wikipeda is not a place for you to bring debates about your own personal opinionsAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 11:18, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Walter Smith, Derek Johnstone, Paul Murray, David Murray and even Charles Green himself have made statements in the past to the effect that this club is a 'new' Rangers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.137.111.29 (talk) 15:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Business's

ive just been doing some reading up, and noticed that certain other business like the rangers youth thing or murray park and other similar business are now owned by the new company so wondering if we should meantion this if i can source it rightAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 19:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

rangers history

can i just ask how a football club buys history?.....in other words you are claiming that if celtic were to be liquidated and green also bought their assets.....he could then claim that rangers have won the european cup?.....sorry but your take on this does not stand up to scrutiny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.191.53 (talk) 14:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Rangers transfer of SFA membership ensured unbroken history. If transfer had been refused Green would have had a team without a league to play in. Many 3rd party sources state Rangers are the same club aswell so I hope this has answered your query. BadSynergy (talk) 17:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Football's world governing bodies FIFA and UEFA have declared that "The Rangers Football Club" who play in the Scottish football league 3rd division ARE A NEW CLUB. No club without 3 years of accounts can take part in European competitions. The transfer of SFA membership was just that, A TRANSFER. Not unlike a player transferring from club to club. This confirms that "The Rangers Football Club" did not have a License to begin with. SFA rules were broken to allow the transfer as the new club not having 3 years accounts made them ineligible. To suggest that history from the club founded in 1872 and incorporated in 1899 had been "Transferred" is risible and can only be taken as a desperate line of emotional defence by fans of the former club.

Do you have a link to UEFA and FIFA declaring that Rangers are a new club? May I ask why UEFA have Rangers currently 84th in UEFA rankings? Surely impossible for a new club? As for the SFA you may disagree with them but the fact remains they transferred membership by using Rangers' previous accounts. The name of the club is Rangers Football Club I think you are getting mixed up with the name of Green's company (The Rangers Football Club Ltd). Trust me if you read through the Rangers FC talk page archives you will see how we came to this decision it is not based on emotion. BadSynergy (talk) 16:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The link showing that UEFA regard the newco as a new club http://www.uefa.com/search/index.html#Rangers%20FC&c=50121&ob=c clearly showing that the last game played by Rangers FC 1873 was played on 13/05/2012.

In regards to the SFA, membership would not have had to be transferred if Rangers FC 1873 was still in existence because it would have remained with Rangers FC 1873. If Rangers FC 1873 still existed there would have been no consideration of giving this membership to a new club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.192.28 (talk) 01:01, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

The reason why it shows that as last match is because UEFA only records top flight games. By your logic Dunfermline are regarded as new club as UEFA say their last match was played on 12/05/12 DUNFERMLINE. SFA sources state membership was transferred as since then sources state it is the same club. Wiki doesn't come to its own conclusions we report what the sources say. BadSynergy (talk) 02:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

The sources provided in the article don't back up the contention that the history was trasnferred from Oldco to Newco. If such sources exist, they should be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.30.254 (talk) 18:31, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

some of the sources do but some sy it wasnt as the article does meantion that it deemed a new club, if you have a problem with a particular source please post itAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 19:37, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Accounts

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/216224-rangers-post-7-million-loss-for-last-six-months-of-2012/ Anyone fancy trying putting it into the article? Sparhelda 13:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)