Talk:Over-the-line

We need some real pictures here. ⇒ JarlaxleArtemis 04:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC) HANNAH IS AWESOME!ct per OMBAC official rules. You only get two pitches (not three "strikes" as is discribed) and there are no "doubles" or "triples". You either get a hit, home run, foul out, pie out (hit it in the triangle), or the fielder catches the ball for an out. If a batter has a whif they are out (no "strikes"). Three hits is a run. If the ball passes the back fielder it is a homerun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.28.183 (talk) 22:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

"The annual World Championships now gathers more than 1200 teams from all over the world." - Actually it's limited to exactly 1200, so you can't really say "over 1200", I am being pickey. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.237.249.251 (talk) 22:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Neutrality

I'm not familiar with the OMBAC tournament, but the section about it seems to focus far too much on unsourced criticism. It would be helpful if someone more knowledgeable on the subject could add sources for the facts and any legit criticism and get rid of anything else.tktktk (talk) 21:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

To me and others who have been - my first time in '09. The first weekend is when much of the debauchery is going on. This mostly due to the laid back nature of the sport and many of the teams just there for the fun. The second weekend the play gets better - the crowds are smaller. The signage is crass but funny. Menus sporting "Michael Jackson Kiddie Meal", "Show us your t__ts for a free soda" and a wall of "I love my Jugs" polaroid photos all contribute. That doesn't seem to stop many - I'd estimate 20% of people - from bringing their young children to the event. There is a lot of creativity in the team names like "Everything hurts but my d__k still works" and "We're not 14-yos. but we play one on the Internet". I found them silly and hilarious and so did everyone else I know. Taken in the spirit - as a comment on pop culture and society in general they are quite ingenious. If these elements of the event offend anyone I highly recommend they don't go to the significant trouble of getting to and parking at this very crowded venue while the games are on. I saw no fights - violence or police trouble the whole day I was there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.20.162 (talk) 19:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Tktktk hit the nail on the head: There is too much unsourced criticisn and POV. As far as the longtime players offending the crowd, it is biased and unfounded. Here is an article about Chuck Millenbah published in the San Diego Union Tribune a few months ago. Every year there are articles about seasoned players. They are highly respected. I would welcome proof of critiques of "younger tournament goers who find the older participants increasingly out of place". They're the ones who make the tournament. Children and grandchildren of original players come out together and celebrate the tournament. There are newspaper articles and television coverage each year that will show how much the crown embraces the longtime players and what they stand for. With all the drinking and the size of the crowds, there has never been, in 56 years, any serious trouble at the tournament. There are a log of new players coming in every year and old ones going out. There are far fewer older teams than there are younger teams. The Open Division, the younger players, is the largest division by far over the other divisions, which change according to the players' ages. This entire paragraph should be removed. --Bloggirl (talk) 08:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

References

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Further reading

Sources that could be used to improve the article are:

• Kirkpatrick, Curry (4 August 1975). "They've Stepped Way Over the Line". Sports Illustrated. Vol. 43, no. 5. p. 32.
• "Over-the-line tourney slated for weekend". Eugene Register-Guard. 8 June 1977.
• Abel, Allen (10 July 1978). "The real action's$Q at Fiesta Island". The Globe and Mail. p. S1.
• Stadler, Mark (13 July 1985). "Over-the-Line Championship: Simple Sport Turns Into a Hard One It's Not Easy Being Good at This Game". Los Angeles Times.
• Wagner, Dick (18 Jun 1987). "Over-the-Line: It Takes 3 to Tangle With Rope Triangle". Los Angeles Times.
• Mathews, Jay (27 January 1988). "The Soft Life in San Diego, A Gentle Giant". The Washington Post.
• Krasovic, Tom (14 July 1988). "Over-the-Line, Under-Serious: Some Actually Practice, but That's Hardly the Norm". Los Angeles Times.
• Ball, Kevin (30 August 1990). "Heading over-the-line The national good time of Southern California". Orange County Register.
• Lindgren, Jim (13 July 1991). "From Skylab to Garvey, OTL Steeped in Tall Tales". Los Angeles Times.
• Schmitt, Eric (2 July 1993). "Congresswoman Is Target in Navy T-Shirt Episode". The New York Times.
• Haddad, Dana (18 July 1996). "Over the Line, Off the Wall". Los Angeles Times.
• Najarian, Ara (28 May 1999). "Over the Line Softball More Than Beach Party". Los Angeles Times.
• "World Champs X2". PN. December 2004. p. 67.
• Perry, Tony (21 July 2006). "Charity Games Bask in Bawdy Irreverence". Los Angeles Times.
• Johnson, Marael; Yogerst, Joe (2006). San Diego. National Geographic Society. p. 135. ISBN 978-0-7922-6202-2.
• Dickson, Paul (2011). The Dickson Baseball Dictionary (Third Edition). W. W. Norton. p. 618. ISBN 978-0-393-07349-2.
• Perry, Tony (23 June 2013). "Detractors say San Diego's annual Over-the-Line is over-the-top". Los Angeles Times.
• Garske, Monica (6 July 2014). "OTL Granted Permit, Participants Can Bring Booze". NBC San Diego.
• Reed, Candice (11 July 2014). "Booze, breasts, and camera creeps". San Diego Reader.

The offline sources are readily available through Resource Request. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:51, 11 October 2016 (UTC)