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Ottoman court cuisine vs. Ottoman cuisine

This article seems to have veered off to being about Ottoman court cuisine rather than Ottoman cuisine in general. It also asserts that Turkish cuisine (is that supposed to be the same as Ottoman cuisine?) was "developed and perfected" in the kitchens of Topkapi Sarayi and then "adopted by the kitchens of the provinces". This may be true, but is a strong claim and needs good historical sources (not cookbooks). --Macrakis (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've modified the parts of this article dealing with this claim to reduce sweeping generalizations as far as I could but more sources would still be very helpful for increasing the quality of this article. 65.209.197.14 (talk) 23:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am skeptical. Is/was there ever such a thing as Ottoman cuisine? It's a very big region. It makes sense to speak of Maghrebi, Middle Eastern, Balkan and other regional traditions, with lots of sharing to be sure. But this page seems to be about a unified food tradition that never existed.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sources do, of course, exist for Ottoman as a palace cuisine. In fact, everyone except the editor of this article appears to take "Ottoman cuisine" to mean palace cuisine.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Many books on "Ottoman cuisine" do indeed focus on the palace cuisine, because that's what we have the most sources for.^[1] But others do try to document not just the foods of the élites, but also everyday food of everyday people.^[2] --Macrakis (talk) 23:43, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

^ Ottoman cuisine#Bibliography Yerasimos, p. 10
^ Ottoman cuisine#Bibliography Işın, p. 8

Imarets

@Spudlace: the material on soup kitchens is fascinating. It seems to me that the part that has to do with the institutions themselves -- where they were located, how many people they fed, etc. -- belongs in the main imaret article, and only a discussion of the actual food that was served belongs in this article, which is about cuisine. --Macrakis (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the details may be excessive. I'm trimming the section now. Spudlace (talk) 23:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Ottoman cuisine#Bibliography Yerasimos, p. 10

[2] Ottoman cuisine#Bibliography Işın, p. 8

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