Talk:Other Backward Class

Article 51A of Constitution of India

I request the readers to read the Article 51A of constitution of India. vkvora 16:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Here is the link and read 51A(h) also for development of scientific temper.

http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/PartIVA.pdf

Regards vkvora 16:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

defination updated

The definition is updated as per the one present at the official government website. http://ncbc.nic.in/ Since the definition is official it has to be presented as it is.

Something that's generally ignored when the OBC list is looked at, is it's dynamic nature. Any caste or community can fall in that list prescribed at the central list guidelines. Certain communities are present is certain states and certain absent.BalanceRestored 12:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments on Comments

Please ensure that your comments are regarding the article i.e. how to improve or edit it and not about the subject matter. Wikipedia is not a forum. You might your comments summarily deleted. 129.118.165.186 (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

what is a backward caste?

There is a link in the "see also" list for backward caste, but it is redirected to this article.--Filll 18:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, this article makes no attempt to explain what a backward caste is. john k (talk) 02:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

OBC Buddhists

OBC Buddhists section which was added on 13 January 2015 is currently using words like "real home" (for Buddhism), Shudras (OBCs) were "forced" into Hinduism and Caste system and "caste oppression". Looks WP:SYN and WP:YESPOV as it is using opinion as fact, I think it should be removed or rewritten. As my English is not good I can only remove it. If there would have no objection I will remove it. --Hindust@ni^{क्या करें? बातें!} 17:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I removed it as no one objected. It was POV section.--Hindust@ni^{क्या करें? बातें!} 17:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

OBC REPRESENTATION ONLY 7%

17 yrs after Mandal, only 7% OBCs representation in govt jobs Nearly 23 years after the implementation of 27% reservation for OBCs in central government jobs on the basis of the Mandal Commission recommendations, a mere 6.87% of those employed in various union departments in Groups A, B, C and D services belong to the group. Thus a significant 20% posts across categories and departments reserved for OBCs remain unfilled raising doubts on the effective implementation of the Mandal Commission recommendations. Documents obtained under the Right To Information Act (RTI Act) by Chennai-based biomedical engineering and activist, E Muralidharan, reveal that just 1,93,228 OBC employees including 2,430 sweepers were employed in different central government departments as on January 1, 2008. The union personnel, public grievances and pensions ministry has said that the reservation for OBCs was implemented from September 8, 1993. According to the information provided by the ministry, only 5,031 Group A officers belonging to the OBCs were employed in central government services, which constitutes just 5.5% of the 91,881 employees recruited in that category. Likewise, the percentage of Group B employees was only 3.9% (total 1,37,272) and that of Group C was 8.1% (total 18,10,141) and the composition of Group D employees excluding sweepers was 5% (total 6,96,891). Of the vacancies for sweepers only 3.2% were filled with OBCs, which indicates that very few persons belonging to these communities had applied for the post. In contrast, 51.4% of the 75,901 sweepers in central government officers belonged to the Scheduled Castes and 6% hailed from the Scheduled Tribes. Muralidharan had sought two key details. One, the total number of posts under Group A, B, C and D categories in all central government offices; and two, the percentage of OBCs presently employed in these posts as of 2009. However, the ministry said that details of the total posts weren't centrally maintained. With respect to the OBC employees, it said that information was available only as of January 1, 2008 and the information for 2009 was yet to be received. The ministry said the statistics "doesn't include information in respect of six ministries/departments" but didn't name them. However, implementation of reservation in government jobs has been by and large successful when it comes to SCs and STs. Of the 22% vacancies reserved for members of the Scheduled Castes, 17.45% of vacancies have been filled, which in real numerical terms represents 4,90,773 jobs. Likewise, in the case of STs, 6.83% of the 7.5% vacancies earmarked for them have been filled up.

The above content is a fact published in newspaper — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.12.1 (talk) 02:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

References

Hi, this seems to be an old post but nevertheless , replying to it as we have updated data regarding the % of OBCs in Central government jobs. As per representation-of-reserved-categories-in-central-government-services, Union Minster Jitendra Singh in a reply to a question in Lok Sabha said -

As per information received from 78 Ministries/ Departments, including their attached/ subordinate offices, the representation of SCs, STs and OBCs in the posts and services under the Central Government, as on 01.01.2016, was 17.49%, 8.47% and 21.57% respectively

. For class wise representation, one can look at the latest annual report published at the website of Department of Personnel and Training. At page number 40, one can see the percentage of SCs, STs and OBCs in various classes of jobs. As on 01/01/2016, the % of OBCs in group A jobs is 13.01% , % of OBCs in group B jobs is 14.78% and % in group C(excluding Safai karamchari) is 22.65%

--Piyushkumar911 (talk) 05:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Dubious entries in the sections "Rajputs who are in OBC list" and "Brahmins who are in OBC list"

In the section "Rajputs who are in OBC list", there are entries of jaatis like Saini, Lodhi, Kashyap, Ravana who call themselves rajputs/kshatriyas but their claims are dubious , controversial and are generally not accepted by those outside their communities as can be seen in their respective wikipedia pages. Some like Kashyap are a cluster of castes comprising groups like Kewat, Nishad whose primary occupations involved fishing. We have a similar case in "Brahmins who are in OBC list" where there are entries like Vishwabrahmin, who are actually a cluster of artisan castes and whose claim to brahminhood is dubious and is not accepted by people outside the vishwakarma community(this can be seen in the wikipedia article on vishwakarmas). Now, to understand why various jaatis in India make claims to higher varna, one must read this article Sanskritisation . The Sanskritisation article also talks about unsuccessful attempts of vishwakarmas("Vishwabrahmins") to claims of brahminhood. HinduKshatrana/ @HinduKshatrana: Please take a look. You reverted an edit made by me which removed these dubious entries.

Thanks. --Piyushkumar911 (talk) 05:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2021

Kurmi, Koiri, and Yadav are original Kashtriya caste who have been classified as OBC. Therefore, please add Kurmi, Koiri, and Yadav under "Kashtriya and Analogous group in OBC" 49.37.67.18 (talk) 07:31, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Goldsztajn (talk) 09:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/17334/IN

http://pateltoday.com/list-of-kurmi-sub-castes-of-world/

http://awadhiyasamaj.blogspot.com/2015/03/kurmi-caste-details-kurmi-caste-is.html?m=1

https://www.surfindia.com/matrimonials/kurmi.html

https://kurmisamaj.wordpress.com/

https://hi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%80

https://ishanmaniac.blogspot.com/2009/10/kurmihindi-or-kunbi-is-name-of-one-of.html?m=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.9.203.91 (talk) 05:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Brahmins in OBC

Viswakarmas are not considered Brahmins.You are unauthorized to say so. DarkShadow1675 (talk) 09:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2021

• The Maurya community is also in obc which established the first dynasty that rules over India and her neighbouring countries. Professor6999999 (talk) 20:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Munnuru Kapus are not backward caste in 2023

They are primarily located in Telangana and not in Andhra or Rayalaseema states Munnuru Kapus are not backward caste 35.131.205.74 (talk) 21:20, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Lede sentence

"The Other Backward Class (OBC) is a collective term used by the Government of India to classify communities that are educationally or socially backward."

I have a problem with that description, because "backward" isn't well defined, and can be considered derogatory (if someone is from a "backward" community, are they inherently backward?). What if we used scare quotes, and glossed it? E.g.,

"The Other Backward Class (OBC) is a collective term used by the Government of India to classify communities that are "educationally or socially backward" (i.e., disadvantaged)."

Any objections? DS (talk) 16:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

If no one objects within the next 24 hours, I'll implement my proposed change. DS (talk) 01:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Change implemented. DS (talk) 15:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)