Talk:Orlando di Lasso

Arms

Can anyone procure or produce a pic of these? I'm including a blazon. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Name

My CDs all use "Orlandus Lassus" or "Orlando di Lasso", which is preferred by most other wikis, and by incoming links see here. I'd favour "Orlandus Lassus", but it should certainly be moved. Johnbod (talk) 20:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The 2006 Signum recording of his Lamentationes and Requiem uses Orlande de Lassus, actually... though one is tempted too to have a look at some of the articles that refer to him in journals before this Wikipedia article was begun. Will have a go! Schissel | Sound the Note! 13:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I suspect it started as Orlande de Lassus because the New Grove does it that way, and we tend to favor their choice. In school I heard mainly Orlando di Lasso, and Orlandus Lassus, in that order, and generally in the context of his secular vs. sacred output, respectively. Slonimsky does Orlando di Lasso (in Baker's Biographical Dictionary, the other big tome I have within arm's reach). I'm fine with it as is, but if there's an outcry I could be persuaded to move to Orlando di Lasso. Does anyone know how MGG does it? Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 21:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Since he was born in the French speaking part of what is now Belgium, the composer's original name is undoubtedly Roland de Lassus. This name should at least be mentioned together with Orlando di Lasso (the Italianised form) and Orlandus Lassus (the latinised form), as it is used widely in Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seo2007 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the best title for this article would be "Orlando di Lasso" based upon two very popular sources: (1) Apple Music uses this name, and (2) Probably the most popular madrigal song book of the past 50 years "The A Capella Singer" uses this name. Millions have grown up knowing him and his music as Orlando di Lasso. --Westwind273 (talk) 22:12, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Please put this to bed and change the article. An author search of WorldCat cites "Lasso, Orlando de" 3 times while an author search of WorldCat cites "Lasso, Orlando di" 18,625. Another example: . I plead that an interested contributor correct this article. Does Orlando di Lasso translate to Roland De Lassus. If yes, Orlando di Lasso is correct. Thanks AjAirFlex (talk) 01:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC).

Composer project review

I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is of high quality, but it suffers from two defects that would bar a higher rating. The bar to an A rating is the lack of a comprehensive works list, for which references appear to exist. The primary bar to GA consideration is the lack of any inline citations. I'm also a bit surprised that biographies and other materials dedicated to him and his work (which seem to exist) have not been consulted. Read my detailed review on the comments page; questions and comments can be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 16:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Chanticleer Link

I added a link to the live concert by Chanticleer of the program, "The Divine Orlando," and hours later someone deleted it. Was that deemed to be an invalid addition? (The music at the link is absolutely gorgeous!)

• Listen to a streaming recording of a complete live performance by Chanticleer of "The Divine Orlando" at Instant Encore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.178.134.68 (talk) 19:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

A motet with empathy

One of Lassus's stirring Latin motets is 'Verbum Caro' I recall the lyrics even though I have not sung this since about 1970...

 Verbum Caro panem verum
 Verbum carnem efficit.
 Fitque sanguis Christi merum
 et si sensus defficit;
 Ad firmandum cor sincerum,
 Sola fides sufficit.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicwriter (talk • contribs) 00:28, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

References

Gesualdo reference

I think the Prophetiae Sibyllarum might be described as anticipating Gesualdo rather than reminiscent of him, since they predate Gesualdo by a few decades. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylegann (talk • contribs) 17:21, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely right. I made the fix and copyedited a bit. Antandrus (talk) 23:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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==Composers Project Assessment of Orlando di Lasso: 2008-12-5== This is an assessment of article Orlando di Lasso by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described? Good ===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? Good ===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? Good ===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article. No complete list of works. ===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)? Good ===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.) Good ===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references? Article is referenced; no inline citations. I'm mildly surprised that biographies have not been consulted; Amazon shows that some have been written. ===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.) Good, but the lead should be longer, and alternative name spellings should redirect to this page. ===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review=== Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE) Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD) ===Summary=== A nice article about an interesting and important figure. His life and works appear to be well-covered, although I find it mildly distressing that dedicated biographies (which appear to exist in English, German, and Italian) have not been consulted. His importance and influence are well-recorded here. There should probably be an article devoted to his works, as they appear to be extensive (given a brief survey of the website dedicated to him). The article is well-formatted and well-written. Its lead is short according to current standards; 3 paragraphs is probably appropriate. The article is referenced (but not apparently including dedicated biographies), but there are no inline citations, a significant bar to higher ratings, given the amount of work it would be to provide them. The primary block to an A rating is a works list; the primary block to a GA review is inline citations; article is B-class. I would also recommend an editor to gain access to a dedicated biography as additional source material. Magic♪piano 16:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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Dogmatically Catholic?

I find this statement bewildering:

"Lassus remained Catholic during this age of religious discord, although not dogmatically so, as may be seen from his more worldly secular songs as well as his imitation Masses and Magnificats based on secular compositions."

What does the creation of secular songs and basing Masses on secular compositions have to do with Lasso's belief in the dogmas of Catholicism? Are we to infer that "dogmatic Catholics" (whatever that means) don't allow the creation of secular songs? I find this sentence questionable and suggest it be re-written.

A very good point of course; see what you think now. I wonder too about the assertion that his Mag. output "burgeoned" in a late period... (Just btw, I moved you comment to the bottom of the Talk page, and you can sign using 4 Gilda's (~) thus:) Sparafucil (talk) 22:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)