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Removal of unconfirmed "birth name"

This seems to be a classic case of circular sourcing:

Please compare this version of Orlan’s biography from the French WP to the uncredited piece on the France Inter website recently introduced as a source in both her French and English WP BLP. They are virtually identical.

The unsourced statement "Son vrai prénom est Paulette Du Brouet" ("her real first name is …") was first inserted into the French WP article on January 21, 2012 by an IP account with exactly this one contribution to its name and reinserted several times since by User:TwoWings, an account mostly active on Commons.

A google search for "Paulette Du Brouet" yields a total of 19 hits, most of them from Wiki mirror sites. It is therefore highly likely that France Inter copied the January 2012 version of the French WP article, given that they don’t list an author on their site and are replicating the same mistake as that version of the French WP BLP ("son vrai prénom"). I would expect a reliable source with editorial oversight to be able to tell the difference between a first name and a full name. However, if the France Inter piece came first, the "Biographie" section of the French WP article would constitute a 100 percent copyvio. Draco^E 05:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Some IP found this artist's true birth name, and I've thus tracked down some reliable sources^[1]^[2] and added them to the article (Draco, you're right the sources here are utter piffle, when they're not lacking!) I was going to put this one in, as it discussed why she doesn't go by her name:

Perhaps the most bizarre case of a surgery addict is that of a 46-year-old French performance artist named Orlan.... "What I want is a complete transformation—to have the old image erased. At the end of all the operations, I'm going to get a new name and change my identity completely," says Orlan, whose original name was Mireille Porte.^[3]

But since it is self-published by iUniverse, I decided to keep it off. I'm sure you'd agree. (Perhaps I can track down the original source?) I hope this helps the article. TuckerResearch (talk) 05:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And then I just found this source:

She was born Mireille Suzanne Francette Porte in Saint-Étienne, France, on May 30, 1947. She baptized herself Sainte-Orlan in 1971.^[4]

References

^ Lemma, Alessandra (2010). Under the Skin: A Psychoanalytic Study of Body Modification. London: Routledge. p. 122. ISBN 978-0-415-48569-2. Retrieved 26 June 2012. "Formerly Mireille Porte (before she changed her name), Orlan is a Professor at the Ecole des Beaux-Arts in Dijon. She is a multimedia artist using video, performance, digital images and sculpture."
^ Featherstone, Mike (2000). Body Modification. London: SAGE. p. 203n12. ISBN 978-0-7619-6796-5. Retrieved 26 June 2012.
^ Nash, Joyce D. (2000). What Your Doctor Can't Tell You About Cosmetic Surgery. iUniverse. pp. 90ff. ISBN 978-0-595-00386-0. Retrieved 26 June 2012.
^ O'Bryan, C. Jill (2005). Carnal Art: Orlan's Refacing. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press. p. 23. ISBN 978-0-8166-4323-3. Retrieved 26 June 2012.

This last book could be a great source for wikifying this article! (It's at my university, but the subject matter creeps me out too much!) TuckerResearch (talk) 06:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Lemma, Alessandra (2010). Under the Skin: A Psychoanalytic Study of Body Modification. London: Routledge. p. 122. ISBN 978-0-415-48569-2. Retrieved 26 June 2012. "Formerly Mireille Porte (before she changed her name), Orlan is a Professor at the Ecole des Beaux-Arts in Dijon. She is a multimedia artist using video, performance, digital images and sculpture."

[2] Featherstone, Mike (2000). Body Modification. London: SAGE. p. 203n12. ISBN 978-0-7619-6796-5. Retrieved 26 June 2012.

[3] Nash, Joyce D. (2000). What Your Doctor Can't Tell You About Cosmetic Surgery. iUniverse. pp. 90ff. ISBN 978-0-595-00386-0. Retrieved 26 June 2012.

[4] O'Bryan, C. Jill (2005). Carnal Art: Orlan's Refacing. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press. p. 23. ISBN 978-0-8166-4323-3. Retrieved 26 June 2012.

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