Talk:Online gambling

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British Columbia Adds Government Run Online Gambling

It should be added to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.73.68 (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, the encyclopaedia anyone can edit. Si Trew (talk) 18:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Page improvement

Myself and 4 other students from the University of Hull are looking to improve this page as part of an assignment for a module called 'Psychology of internet behaviour'. Although currently doing some research, any tips or other contributors would be great. Please state below if you have any thoughts or suggestions on the page. # Henry Brown 08:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to get some statistics regarding revenue generated by gambling and get that up on the page soon :). Rpullen (talk) 09:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Im going to look into the financial side of the Online gambling industry, and look into more depth on the funds transfer section. JamesKnight90 (talk) 10:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Efforts to improve the page are always welcome, but care should be taken to follow Wikipedia rules and policies. In this case, this is a contention issue where not only is their a lot of opinionated content out there but also a lot of just made up stuff meant to support someone's agenda. So, that means references need to be pretty high quality. The main wiki policy on this is WP:V. In short, just because something is written on the Internet doesn't mean it necessarily can be used as a source. Unsigned article on anonymous websites promoting online gambling are not reliable sources. In addition, they are probably just repeating something already written on some other site. In general it is best to stick with mainstream newspapers or gambling commission-type websites to source historical statements. If none can be found, the information shouldn't be added. Specifically, the claim to be "the first" anything has monetary value to that company, so we shouldn't have any claim about that that is not made verifiable by a very reliable source. 2005 (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the advice, 2005 - much appreciated. Rpullen (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi 2005, thank you for taking the time to reply in depth and help us with this subject, I will be sure to strengthen the reliability of the sources on this page, otherwise make sure it is removed. # Henry Brown 16:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henryz14 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the information 2005, has been a great help while being in this group, hope you're liking the look of this page as a more experienced Wikipedian Danpickup1986 (talk) 19:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Make sure to use reliable, verifiable sources when adding information, especially for contentious topics like online gambling, to maintain Wikipedia's standards of accuracy and neutrality. User:Alan_Beaney (talk) 09:54, 27 september 2024 (UTC)

Large US Legal Section

I feel that the page is overwhelmed with a history of the United States' legal issues within gambling. Whilst I appreciate that it's all well referenced and someone's gone to a lot of effort to create that section, does this article need all of the past laws, or should the section be cut down to only display the more recent law changes in the US? Rpullen (talk) 21:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I reckon it can be reduced in size without losing to much information, it just seems to dominate over the rest of the page. J Knight (talk) JamesKnight90 (talk) 09:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Some of the stuff is trivia now, like each individual bill introduced that never was passed. Those all could be removed except whatever was the first one by saying something like "the first of several...". 2005 (talk) 19:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, it's good to know that we all seem to agree. Would somebody else like to delete the trivial content rather than me? I'm not sure if I'll remove too much info if I do it... Rpullen (talk) 16:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Ill look into shortening it down slightly i think it will help balance out the page a bit better as it jseems a tad cluttered and un organised at present JamesKnight90 (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello everyone - I'm keen to get a separate page going for both the financial and regulatory sides of online gambling. Today's copy of the FT has a special report on doing business in the Isle of Man; in it there is an interesting section on how the Isle of Man has become a haven for Asian online gaming companies given, for example, its regulations and climate (it is less vulnerable to typhoons and hence safer to host large data centres). If there is enough traction I would be keen to start a new page on Wikipedia and would appreciate any views on this. Thanks. 127rahmat (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions

Can anyone suggest any more recent resources regarding online gambling in the UK? I am struggling to find anything newer than 2007. Shaneprendergast (talk) 11:09, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Have you looked into newspaper articles, im sure there have been more recent stories... JamesKnight90 (talk) 11:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Good Morning, Shane. I happen to have placed two useful resources within the notes section of the page - references 51 and 53, I believe, although I do stand to be corrected. These resources only pertain to UK based online gambling, however, they come from a marvellous source from which one can confidently reference. Rpullen (talk) 11:18, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Anyone got any ideas on how to reduce the bulk of the legality section...? Its almost a page in its own... Is it worth just leaving as is and building up around it...? JamesKnight90 (talk) 12:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello everyone - I'm keen to get a separate page going for both the financial and regulatory sides of online gambling. Today's copy of the FT has a special report on doing business in the Isle of Man; in it there is an interesting section on how the Isle of Man has become a haven for Asian online gaming companies given, for example, its regulations and climate (it is less vulnerable to typhoons and hence safer to host large data centres). If there is enough traction I would be keen to start a new page on Wikipedia and would appreciate any views on this. Thanks. 127rahmat (talk) 18:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

References...?

There seems to be a lot of statements here with no support is it worth looking into finding support for them or re writing the sections?

Poker

Main article: Online poker

Online poker tables commonly offer Texas hold 'em, Omaha, Seven-card stud, razz, HORSE and other game types in both tournament and ring game structures. Players play against each other rather than the "house", with the card room making its money through "rake" and through tournament fees.

Casinos

Main article: Online casino

There are a large number of online casinos in which people can play casino games such as roulette, blackjack, pachinko, baccarat and many others. These games are played against the "house" which makes money due to the fact that the odds are in its favor.

Sports betting

Main article: Sports betting

Bookmakers, spread betting firms and betting exchanges offer a variety of ways to wager over the Internet on the results of sporting events, the most popular being fixed-odds gambling.

Bingo

Main article: Online bingo

There are a number of online bingo rooms offering games on the Internet.

Lotteries

Most lotteries are run by governments and are heavily protected from competition due to their ability to generate large taxable cash flows. The first online lotteries were run by private individuals or companies and licensed to operate by small countries. Most private online lotteries have stopped trading as governments have passed new laws giving themselves and their own lotteries greater protection. Government controlled lotteries now offer their games online.

Horse racing betting

Horse racing betting comprises a significant percentage of online gambling wagers and all major Internet bookmakers, betting exchanges, and sports books offer a wide variety of horse racing betting markets

Mobile gambling

Main article: Mobile gambling

Developments in the use of wireless, mobile devices to gamble follow in the wake of mainstream online gambling.

JamesKnight90 (talk) 11:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

These sections should just be a sentence or two pointing people to the main article. ideally they would even just be repeating a sentnce from the main article. The main articles are where the references are on these subjects. For example the online poker article has 30 or so references. So the statements in this article just need to reflect the referenced content in the sub articles. There is no harm in having a strong reference here too, but really when it says "see main article" that more or less is the reference for the one or two summary sentences. The fursther information is in the main sub articles, or should be at least. 2005 (talk) 18:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I have drastically reduced the size of the section and its fits the page a hell of a lot better. JamesKnight90 (talk) 09:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Please don't fundamentally alter the structure of the article. The above sections exist to clearly point users to the appropriate sub-articles where these issues are dealt with in depth. As mentioned above, these sections don't need references. They just include a short summary of the articles where they have their own references. This article doesn't exist to repeat what is written elsewhere. Wikipedia takes care to avoid content forks, where the same thing is described differently or contradictorily in more than one place. Similarly this article doesn't exist to describe problem gambling symptoms or treatment. There is an article that covers that which this article points to. Any other ideas about problem gambling should be included in the main problem gambling article, and written in the third person. 2005 (talk) 18:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I have change some of the forms of online gambling as you requested 500 "ideally they would even just be repeating a sentnce from the main article". How are we feeling with our page now gents? shaneprendergast

I only edited it down to reduce the size of the section, the links were still there and were still easily findable.JamesKnight90 (talk) 12:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

UK Lottery and maybe others?

I have written some information on the UK national Lottery as there doesn't seem to be a page on Wikipedia at the moment. I am also in the group at the University of hull editing this as part of a project, so am new to this, but I was thinking, would it be worth adding some information on the charity work national lottery do, or should I just leave it as simply information about the lottery, then make a seperate page about the national Lottery in the UK?? Also, if anyone else would like to add information about the lottery systems in their countries or regions, I'm sure it would help to build this page and make it more informative. Danpickup1986 (talk) 19:12, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

There is an article on the National Lottery (United Kingdom). The section added probably shouldn't be where it is. It should instead be here: Online lottery. In general, pages like this online gambling one are not great for a class to take on because they are already structured and have had tons of people editting them. In contrast, the online lottery article is a disaster. Hopefully it can be within your class scope to put that UK lottery content into the online lottery article, and add a lot more information there. (Just don't duplicate standard lottery information already found in the lottery article.) 2005 (talk) 18:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

US section outdated

New Jersey, Nevada, and Delaware (apparently for quite some time), have legalized some forms of online gambling. 68.238.204.80 (talk) 23:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Problem gambling

I think of adding Problem gambling the "See also" area, i think there´s an obvious relationship, but some other users think otherwise, so i would like to ask the community, what are your thoughts about it ?, should be Problem gambling added or not ?--Euroescritor (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

@Euroescritor: The relationship is so obvious that there's a whole section on it in the article already. Didn't you see that? So, no. Otherwise, yes.  :) — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 19:17, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

@Smuckola: you´re totally right, i was follwing some list i´ve made, and i should have reviewed this one better, sorry for the waste of time, ooops--Euroescritor (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

@Euroescritor: I totally understand and respect that, and that sounds like a good process. I've done that many times myself. Good luck! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 19:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

@Smuckola: Review the gambling category, i found little or almost no reference to anything related with Ludomania or Problem gambling, so i decided to add it as a category or within reference. It does not matter, but i´m a online gamer myself, and i respect the game, but some people can´t control it and there should be info and help for them out there, and Wikipedia it´s likely to be one the first places, young gamers would reach out for info. Thanks for the support ;)--Euroescritor (talk) 19:30, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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@Mngdw: Hey there. Your recent addition might be good content from a WP:RS. I don't know, but I do know that it has nothing to do with this article so could you please move it to problem gambling? Thanks! — Smuckola(talk) 16:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I have just removed it from there as well. The source (a promotional gamer's news website) is not suitable for this kind of information, regardless of the article in question. The source article's author has no visible credentials to provide reliable information about that kind of topic. Also, without going into detail, the new account possibly has a COI to add this source. GermanJoe (talk) 19:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Player Perception Section / Improving History Section

Player Perception Section

I think it would be beneficial to add a section that details player perception of online gambling sites. Studies have looked into players' trust of websites and opinions on Responsible Gambling features, which are essentially features that promote safe play and an inability to lose money quickly by recognizing dangerous player patterns and behavior. This research can be coupled with third party services that provide measures of authenticity for randomness and fair play.

History Section

The history section should also be updated to relay any significant changes that have occurred within the last 5 years. It may be useful to include specific websites that offer online gambling, such as New Jersey and other states recently creating provisions that allow for business like Pokerstars to operate via the internet. --Koleary94 (talk) 09:26, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

These sound like useful updates. Do you have any particular reference sources in mind for the proposed changes in either section? Amyc29 (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2018

3 suggested edits to include reliable sources: "Interstate wagering on horse racing was first made legal under the Interstate Horseracing Act written in the 1970s." Could be changed to: "Interstate wagering on horse racing was first made legal under the Interstate Horseracing Act written in the 1978." and link to this bill in the citation: http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title15/chapter57&edition=prelim

"The national government, which licenses Internet gambling entities, made a complaint to the World Trade Organization about the U.S. government's actions to impede online gaming. The Caribbean country won the preliminary ruling but WTO's appeals body somewhat narrowed that favorable ruling in April 2005." A citation could be added a after 2005 that linked to the following: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds285_e.htm

"The bill was rewritten in the early 2000s to include the Internet in closed-circuit websites, as compared to simply phones or other forms of communication." could be changed to : "The bill was rewritten in the early 2000s to include the Internet in closed-circuit websites, including simulcast racing, as compared to simply phones or other forms of communication." after racing, you could link a citation to wikipedia's "simulcast page" https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Simulcast Cnab victoria (talk) 17:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done All three done, thank you. Fish+Karate 13:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2022

Programik (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello,please add information about Ukraine Gmbl :" Aug 11, 2020 — President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky signed a bill on the legalization of the gambling business" link- https://24tv.ua/ru/legalizacija_igornogo_biznesa_v_ukraine_2020_zakonoproekt_n1263699

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 3mi1y (talk) 21:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2023

This: Gibbs, Erik (3 October 2022). "Russian Gambling Operators Caught Stealing Data of Ukrainians". Casino.org. Retrieved 4 October 2022. is not a real source. I is against Wikipedia Policy and Pubilishing guidelines. Jan K83 (talk) 14:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

 Question: You're going to have to be more specific as to why isn't a real source and which wikipolicy it violates. Callmemirela 🍁 14:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: IFS213-Hacking and Open Source Culture

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024

Legal Status: Philippines The Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR) oversees online gambling in the Philippines. PAGCOR, a government-owned and controlled corporation founded in 1977, watches various games of chance, such as casino gaming, poker, bingo, sports betting, and online gambling. Writertony (talk) 12:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done. ⸗ Antrotherkus ^{❲ Talk to me! ❳} ⸗ 17:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Proposed Addition of Detailed State-by-State Legal Information to the Sweepstakes Casinos Section

Hello,

I propose expanding the "Sweepstakes online casinos" section of the "Online gambling" article to include detailed state-by-state legal information, enhancing the utility of this section for readers seeking comprehensive legal insights. Currently, the section provides an excellent overview of the operational model of sweepstakes casinos but lacks specific information on where these casinos are legally permissible across the U.S.

There seems to be a gap in comprehensive, reliable sources that aggregate this specific state-by-state information. My website, Sweepstakes-Casino.org, offers up-to-date, detailed legal information on sweepstakes casinos, compiled to aid users in understanding their legal options for participating in sweepstakes casino games within various U.S. states. While my site could serve as a primary source, I understand the importance of maintaining Wikipedia’s rigorous standards for reliability and neutrality.

I suggest the following draft for addition:

"Each U.S. state has distinct regulations governing the operation of sweepstakes casinos. The legality of accessing and using these platforms varies significantly from one state to another, reflecting the diverse legal landscape of online gambling across the country. This detailed legal status can be explored further with resources that compile these regulations comprehensively, providing potential users with necessary guidance on where they can engage legally in sweepstakes casino activities."

This addition aims to provide readers with a clearer understanding of the geographic legality of sweepstakes casinos, which is crucial for compliance with local laws. I am affiliated with Sweepstakes-Casino.org and propose this addition transparently to avoid any conflict of interest. I believe this enhancement will significantly increase the article's value by offering a practical guide on the legality of sweepstakes casinos across different states.

I welcome any feedback or suggestions and am open to collaboration to refine this contribution to meet Wikipedia’s standards.

Thank you for considering this proposal.

Sacha. Sacha-75 (talk) 14:20, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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