Talk:Ong Teck Chin

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On 23 June 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Ong Teck Chin for a record of the discussion.

the jokers who recommended a delete... have very poor research skills. Chensiyuan 15:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

"Ong" or "Teck Chin"

A joker (IP 165.21.155.8) changed Ong's surname to "Teck Chin" throughout the article on 6 August 2006. That's rather unusual. If that person is notable enough to have his own Wikipedia article (as seems to have been established during the deletion discussion), then he deserves the respect of being referred to by his surname. The contributor's rationale for the change was that "Ong is his last name", which in addition to being highly contentious (see Chinese surname), makes precisely the point that it should remain as the default for referring to him. You don't see Einstein being called "Albert" in his article, either! JREL (talk) 08:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Since there do not seem to be any objections, I've reverted the changes. JREL (talk) 02:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Rhodes Scholarships and Singapore

There seems to be a question about Ong affiliation with the Rhodes Scholarship program. In the 70's, there were only 2 universities in Singapore (Univ of Singapore and Nanyang Univ). So, recipients of the award were typically tracked by their secondary schools and honored on the "Wall of Fame".

That makes sense. (btw Which "Wall of Fame" are you referring to?)

Also, according to http://www.rhodesscholar.org/PDF/archive/brochure12.pdf, Singapore is a participant in the Rhodes Scholarship program, regularly sending students to Oxford for an education.

I have a number of problems with that document. (It contains a number of inaccuracies.)

• www.rhodesscholar.org is the site of the Rhodes Trust in USA. They only nominate USA citizens/residents. The scholarships are actually awarded by the Rhodes Trust itself - http://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/. (btw Have you had a look at Rhodes Scholarship?)
• The opening phrase of that document is inaccurate; the Rhodes Scholarships are neither "the oldest", nor are they "fellowships". (Such an opening phrase does not give me much confidence in the reliability of other statements made in the document.)
• According to http://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/countrysites.htm and http://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/infoscholar.htm, Singapore is not currently one of the countries nominating candidates.
• I assume you are referring to the following sentence?

Americans are joined in Oxford by Rhodes Scholars elected from Australia, Bangladesh, Bermuda, Canada, Commonwealth Caribbean, Germany, Hong Kong, India, Jamaica, Kenya, Malaysia, New Zealand, Pakistan, Singapore, South Africa, Uganda, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.

• I can find no (other) evidence that scholars are elected from Bangladesh, Malaysia, Singapore or Uganda, and believe me, I've spent many hours reading and searching for it. (If you find any evidence, I would be very grateful if you brought it to my attention. Very grateful.)

Only 32 of the typically 230 Rhodes Scholars each year come from the US;

No, that's not the case; you have mis-interpreted the statement. The fact is: Currently, 32 of the typically 80-90 Rhodes Scholars each year come from the US.

The sentence you are referring to says: "In a typical term, some 230 Rhodes Scholars are in residence at Oxford." With about 80 new scholarships per year, and each scholarship lasting one, two, or three years, then 80/year times 3 years equals 240. (This suggests there are very few one-year-scholars, and many three-year-scholars.)

Singapore was alotted 1 scholarship per year. Cliff63 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't find any evidence to support your last sentence. Where did you find it?

http://www.usp.nus.edu.sg/eBulletin/issue32/issue32.html says All listened to and interacted with guest speakers, Dr Ong Teck Chin, Secretary of The Rhodes Scholarship Selection Committee (Singapore)

However, I can't find any (other) information about "The Rhodes Scholarship Selection Committee (Singapore)". Can you?

Thanks for your help on this. Pdfpdf (talk) 01:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

There's more information on this in "Seven Rivers to Cross: A Mostly British Council Life" by Bruce Nightingale, John Hanson; Radcliffe Press 1996 [1]. See pages 139-140, in which it mentions that this was a Regional Rhodes Scholarship Selection Committee for Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei (hence the appearance of 'Singapore' in parentheses). At the bottom of page 140, it mentions that 'Mr Ong Teck Chin' went off to Oxford to do his higher degree at Wadham College. Brythain (talk) 07:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It is listed in "On His Wings" a school publication of its history. Dr Ong's Bio does state that he was a Rhodes Scholar Limecock (talk) 03:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Stub Status?

The current article is significantly more informative for it to be alloted as a "stub" status, Limecock (talk) 04:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Since no one has objected, removed stub status -> C-class

Article is reasonably informative, and all references are cited properly

Article is clearly organised

Article still need more varied sources to substantiate information

Some relevant important information is missing, such as exact date of birth, personal life etc.

Limecock (talk) 01:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It was announced on the 4th of october 2010 that Dr Ong had resigned his position from ACS Independent . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.14.105 (talk) 16:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Family

I have removed the additional details about his family members as irrelevant. Naming them is fine, but we don't need to do mini-CVs for each of his children. InfernoXV (talk) 05:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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C-Class: Article is reasonably informative, and all references are cited properly Article is clearly organised Article still need more varied sources to substantiate information Some relevant important information is missing, such as exact date of birth, personal life etc. Limecock (talk) 05:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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