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Future name change

Currently the page is under the title "One Piece (upcoming TV series)". At the moment it has been confirmed to be released in 2023, and I'm not saying to change the name now, because I don't know if it's better to wait for a specific release date, but... Suppose we change it to "One Piece (2023 TV series)": Will it stay with that title while the page about the anime series of the same title will simply stay with the title "One Piece (TV series)"? (since in the talk page of that article it seems that naming it to "One Piece (1999 TV series)" has been rejected) - BrookTheHumming (talk) 20:13, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, once it releases it will be moved to "One Piece (2023 TV series)" and the other article will retain its current title. Link20XX (talk) 22:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Budget is unconfirmed, please remove

The source of the quoted $150 million budget, as reported on by numerous anime outlets, is a tweet made by a series fan. It's speculation, not reliable insider information. Additionally, the Wiki itself even got that figure wrong. I did some digging and I think someone got confused, because $144 million is not the reported budget of the 2023 TV series--- $144 million is reportedly how much the One Piece Film Red movie sold in the Japanese box office after five months in theaters. Cadenrock1 (talk) 04:19, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

The site bellow is officially affiliated with Netflix Germany due to the podcast on their site being legit. I speak German and they had real stars on the show, such as Matthias Schweighöfer to promote Army of Thieves for example. The promo article states it cost "über 16 Millionen Euro pro Folgen", so more than 16 million € per episode. About 17,3 million $.

We found our source but someone can fact-check me first as you can never know.

https://netflixwoche.de/news/one-piece-was-man-zur-realverfilmung-des-mangas-wissen-muss-hintergrund-charaktere-figuren-welt 77.64.147.157 (talk) 18:25, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
All the sources on the article rely on this netflixwoche piece but it did a stealth edit to remove the budget numbers at some point, so I'm guessing it simply used numbers that were floating around in unreliable sources like (https://www.cbr.com/one-piece-live-action-bigger-budget-game-of-thrones/) and once they were called out on it they removed it. You can compare it now to an older version (https://web.archive.org/web/20230828182507/https://netflixwoche.de/news/one-piece-was-man-zur-realverfilmung-des-mangas-wissen-muss-hintergrund-charaktere-figuren-welt). The "One Piece wurde mit über 16 Millionen Euro pro Folgen aufwendiger produziert als Game of Thrones (Kosten pro Folge etwa 13,7 Millionen Euro" part is gone. There is currently zero reliable information about the budget, so all mentions of it in the article should be removed. Sandersonias (talk) 06:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
I personally think that it seems fine to remove then. David A (talk) 18:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Update composers’ pages

The pages of composers Sonya Belousova and Giona Ostinelli must be updated with the One Piece soundtrack. 2A02:2454:25A:C400:ECF4:4E05:36F4:F140 (talk) 13:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

character descriptions

descriptions source supposedly the collider article. practically every character blurb cites the same article. upon simple investigation, it's clear whoever wrote them completely fabricated and falsely cited collider. not to mention, the writing is awful and deficient in grammar, style, and function. stop otaku fanboys from writing this kind of garbage. SollyWIKI (talk) 05:06, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Eiichiro Oda 's Support for convicted child porn authors

This is being edited out despite multiple reliable sources from CBR animenewsnetwork animefeminist linked.

This is noteworthy and deserves its own section. LoreVogel1995 (talk) 23:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

See Talk:One Piece, where this has been resolved. Link20XX (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


Proposal for future cast list

Currently the cast is listed appropriately in the article. But once a second season is released, with double the cast listed, which would take up a lot of space in the article, we may have to create a page as «List of One Piece (2023 TV series) cast and characters» (mentioning only the Main Cast in the main article about the series).
Perhaps most appropriate listing them on tables (I give as examples lists like Grey's Anatomy or Lost; mentioning the character, actor, season(s) in which it appears, perhaps the first episode in which the character appears (or only episode, in the case of notable guest characters based on other characters of the original manga)... followed by a brief description of the character or also additional production notes regarding the character or actor who plays it.
In the case of Recurring Characters also adding the sections "Introduced in season one" and "Introduced in season two" to aid navigation in the list. But currently it's just a proposal for a possible future page, so perhaps it's more appropriate to talk about it once the cast for the second season begins to be announced. BrookTheHumming (talk) 22:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

A layout similar to List of One Piece characters or List of The Legend of Vox Machina characters might also work well. Those list articles group characters by various fictional aspects (membership to the core party, characters in other fictional organizations, characters tied to a specific location, etc). The Vox Machina article was drafted before the start of the second season & went live right around the start of the second season. If you start a draft, just link it here! Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:35, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Budget

Why I cannot find any information about its budget within this article? 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:C539:1FB0:5B12:BDA6 (talk) 10:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Because no one has added it yet. They might be waiting for clearer more reliable sources or maybe no one has gotten around to it yet, that happens a lot.
Reportedly the show cost ~$18 million per episode[1] approximately ~$140 million for the first season. (Realistically it does not make sense for an encyclopedia to make vague statements about "average" per episode costs. You can claim a slice of cake costs a certain amount but you have to bake the whole cake. The initial costs of building sets and costumes and everything else is huge.)
When better more reliable sources report a budget for the whole first season it would be great if that could be included in the Production section. -- 109.77.197.70 (talk) 12:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
$18 million per episode is actually good information and should be added to the article. At this point, there is no point in waiting longer. Budget info has been released. A lot of articles on TV shows (on Wikipedia) has budget info as $X million per episode. For example, Game of Thrones. I can't be the only reader who is wondering about its budget. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:4131:6D2:B5F5:1E27 (talk) 12:42, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
No one is stopping you from adding it. I might have added it if I had a source I considered reliable enough, that reported the full cost of the first season, in the production section somewhere. (Also the cost of reshoots is probably not even included in the estimates.) -- 109.77.198.106 (talk) 14:53, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
@Sandersonias removed the section on budget (see this edit); their reasoning is listed above (#Budget is unconfirmed, please remove). Sariel Xilo (talk) 16:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm confused on why no reliable source has reported on the budget yet. Why? Budget info is not a secret. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:415:8689:894:BC4F (talk) 23:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

One Piece never broke Stranger things or Wednesday numbers

"In its debut weekend, the show's concurrent viewership on Netflix reached number one in 86 countries, surpassing the Netflix debut records previously set by Stranger Things and Wednesday." this is false. It spread from a fan site tracking netflix rankings with obfsucated method.

According to netflix press release here It only debuted 1st in 46 countries. https://about.netflix.com/en/news/top-10-week-of-aug-28-one-piece-and-you-are-so-not-invited-to-my-bat-mitzvah . And actual viewership was far far lower than them.

It only debuted 2nd in the US rankings. https://www.netflix.com/tudum/top10/

all of these are official and the primary source here.

@Sariel Xilo. why are you insistent on keeping it? and @Isabelle Belato can you fix this? 110.235.219.38 (talk) 05:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC) 103.250.137.180 (talk) 13:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I noticed that the Netflix press release was published on the 5th of September, while the article by The Independent that is currently cited was published on the 7th of September. Perhaps that explains the discrepancy? Additionally, do you have evidence that the information "spread from a fan site tracking netflix rankings with obfsucated method"? At most, we can include both claims, but that would make the sentence rather clunky, and if we were to keep only one, I believe the information provided by The Independent would be preferred on the basis of being newer and being a secondary source. Liu1126 (talk) 16:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
@Liu1126 because if you look at articles who post a source. It's from Flixpatrol, a fansite.
The Independent source is likely the same. It says so in the article being the first few days. which directly contradicts the official source. A primary source which contradicts secondary is not possible. Why would it be preferred over the official and actual source? Even if you look at the second week press release it's the same. 182.69.180.151 (talk) 17:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
secondary sources are generally preferred over primary sources on wikipedia. there's a bit of history behind it but it's the way it is RetroCosmos (talk) 06:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Okay, here's three secondary sources that agree with the primary and were published after the contradictory one in the article.
https://www.escapistmagazine.com/netflix-one-piece-perfect-introduction-series/
https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/one-piece-director-on-pirate-show-different-kind-of-action/
https://deadline.com/2023/09/one-piece-cast-photos-luffy-straw-hats-netflix-manga-1235539642/ 103.69.14.83 (talk) 15:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

The 95% positive Rotten Tomatoes audience score

Given that the old Forbes.com article about this was removed, and I think that it is very relevant to mention in this article, would the following source be acceptable instead, or does anybody else here know of a better source that can be used instead?

https://movieweb.com/netflixs-one-piece-live-action-sets-sail-with-strong-rotten-tomatoes-ratings/

David A (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I think Screen Rant (article) is probably a similar source to the MovieWeb one; there's also this IGN India article which might work best. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:20, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your helpful reply. Would you be willing to add the 95% approval information to the main page here while referencing all of the three sources above, so at least one of them might qualify for Wikipedia's standards? David A (talk) 20:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
If anybody else here is willing to handle it, that would also be very appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help. David A (talk) 14:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Please note WP:UGC and MOS:TVRECEPTION which both strongly discourage adding Rotten Tomatoes audience scores. There are rare exceptions but I do not believe this is one of them. The Rotten Tomatoes audience score should not have be added without clear consensus that an exception should be made and considerably better sourcing than Screenrant or IGN India. Please remove the Rotten Tomatoes audience scores unless and until there is a clear consensus that this case is exceptional. -- 109.77.197.70 (talk) 12:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Anyone? It still seems to me like editors have not adequately shown good reason to make an exception to include the Rotten Tomatoes audience score. Why shouldn't I follow WP:UGC WP:TVRECEPTION and remove the audience score from this article? -- 109.79.167.231 (talk) 22:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
The point is that as far as I am aware, ALL western live-action anime adaptions were failures to different degrees in terms of audience approval and story quality until One Piece came along, and, thanks to a close collaboration with the original author, achieved nearly universal acclaim among its viewers. That is highly noteworthy/relevant to point out and illustrate, as it marks a definitive trend-reversal and encouragement for Hollywood regarding how to properly respect highly beloved frachises and all of the people who love them.
It also seems to have been mentioned rather frequently in the media: [2]
Why are you so obsessed with erasing this information from public view anyway? David A (talk) 08:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Why are you so willing to take user voted web polls seriously as a source when WP:UGC clearly explains this is a bad idea and not a reliable source? Why are editors so eager to ignore the Wikipedia Project Television guidelines WP:TVRECEPTION? Nielsen numbers are a more reliable source of audience response and that is what Project Television recommends, why include the Rotten Tomatoes audience scores when the guidelines expressly say not to? If there is local consensus to make an exception that should be clearly established. Why does Wikipedia have so many guidelines that so many people think they need to take exception to? Why can't Wikipedia follow its own rules? The burden of proof is supposed to be on editors who want to use unreliable sources. -- 109.79.169.184 (talk) 14:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Discourage is not the same thing as forbidding, and as I tried to explain above, this is an extraordinary case of nearly universal massive audience acclaim, with an average score of 4.7 out of 5, especially compared to previous live action anime adaptions which were usually almost universally reviled by audiences.
Why does an anonymous IP address user who somehow already has high experience with Wikipedia regulations suddenly appear here with a one-track agenda to remove completely harmless information that is highly relevant in this particular context? Please explain yourself. David A (talk) 20:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I choose to edit anonymously, you can choose to believe me or not. WP:GOODFAITH. People frequently fail to follow WP:UGC and I have removed audience scores from articles many times before along with other mundane cleanup. (On very rare occasions, I've even helped note that there was a discrepancy between critics and audiences[3] but without dwelling on the specifics of a user voted poll by one particular website. There's no discrepancy here, it's clear critics and audiences like this show.) Including exceptions without strong explanations and prior consensus makes other editors think it is okay to [add] audience scores and they go ahead and do it in other articles without thinking. I understand the claim that this case is exceptional but that claim has not been proven, vague handwaving at search results does [not] prove the claim, and the included reference to IGN India and The Wrap are pretty weak (they verify the score as it was at the time of release, but they don't make it clear that a user voted web poll should be given particular weight). If an exception is to WP:TVRECEPTION is made I'd really like to see better sources. I get that it was added while people were impatient for sources, but an actually reliable source, the Nielsen ratings came in since then. Fundamentally the point that this encyclopedia article is trying to make is that audiences really liked this show, there are ways to show that without mentioning one user voted web poll specifically. Wikipedia Project Television clearly says that reliable sources like Nielsen should be used and fundamentally unreliable web polls should not be used. I'm trying to make sure that this exception really is exceptional and that a discussion happens. The article is only Start class now, but this question will need to be addressed sooner or later if it eventually gets to higher quality levels and pays closer attention to the rules. Based on what I see so far, if it isn't improved an experienced editor will likely blaze through remove the Rotten Tomatoes audience score in due course. -- 109.76.136.1 (talk) 07:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
I apologise if I was being rude above.
We can likely add the following two sources as well:
https://theconversation.com/with-the-popularity-of-one-piece-has-netflix-hit-the-winning-formula-for-live-action-anime-adaptations-213237
https://screenrant.com/one-piece-show-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score-netflix-curse/ David A (talk) 09:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
I took your comments as vigilant, not rude, we're all trying to make a better encyclopedia. Still I do not think the specific score of one user voted web poll on one particular website is what is important here. What I think is important and due attention is that the show has been phenomenally well received by audiences and critics and seems to have bucked the trend of live action anime adaptations, and the bigger more important point about the popularity and success of the show can be made without needing to reference a specific number in one web poll. (At least with movies Rotten Tomatoes and Fandango can track if people actually bought tickets, but with tv shows it's just another user voted web poll.)
WP:SCREENRANT ick, only as a last resort. WP:THECONVERSATION seems like a genuinely good source. -- 109.78.196.114 (talk) 10:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, I am open for suggestions regarding more efficient and reliable methods of making the same point. David A (talk) 11:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Project Panda

I saw a source from March 2022 saying the codename for this show was "Project Panda"[4] but the article contains an Instagram post from 2021 that implies the codename was "Project Roger".[5] Is one of these codenames incorrect? Could both codenames have been used at different times? -- 109.76.136.1 (talk) 16:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

American

@98Tigerius: the United States is mentioned in the infobox so I do not understand why you would want to remove the article from the American category. The article is also in several other American categories for that matter. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Needs controversy section

The casting of Lera Abova as Nico Robin has received quite a bit of backlash. So massive in fact that members of the Ukrainian parliament have also spoken up against it and called for the boycotting of Netflix. This is a major developing story that will definitely has to be covered. 46.97.170.18 (talk) 08:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

There would need to be a source that the Ukranian parliament responded, and I don't see a source for that. I don't see any articles talking about Abova's backlash either. To my knowledge, it's just social media buzz. Unnamed anon (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Not the Ukrainian parliament in an official capacity, but Roman Hryshchuk has issued a statement on social media - and if this was in any way a hoax, We would've heard of it by now. It's entirely possible that the showrunners are trying to dismiss this as yet another hate campaign coming from the usual suspects, which would be a mistake. 46.97.170.18 (talk) 09:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Recurring cast too long?

Remember to follow the notability guidelines when creating a cast list; not every character deserves to be listed and fewer will justify an individual article (most series have no characters that need stand-alone articles). It may be appropriate to split the cast listing by "Main" and "Recurring" cast or characters. If the series is long-running, and has a large number of recurring guest stars, it may be better to create a separate list of characters articles
— MOS:TVCAST

@Alienautic, Amaaaaaa3w, Blobstar, Unnamed anon, Theodorethebear, BrookTheHumming, KingArti, and Lipshiz: Per the MOS:TV, I think we need to trim the reoccurring & guest cast list to just the notable characters. For example, I think leaving the captains of various ships makes sense but we don't need entries for every crew member; similarly, island residents who only appear in one episode & are not important to the on-going plot should also be removed. Pinged a bunch of recent editors who might have ideas about what the local consensus should be on who to include. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe many of them should be moved to the notable guests section. BrookTheHumming (talk) 22:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't think they should be moved unless you're suggesting a spun-out stand-alone list; I'm suggesting most of this list should be removed because cast lists on Wikipedia should not be every character that appears. Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
I'll say cut down the Recurring section with actors who only appear in 4+ episodes and do not include co-stars as they are just actors who have super minor roles and are below guest starring. Also, guest stars section are supposed to only be notable guest stars, not every single guest star. Special guest stars/special appearances (notable guest stars) should only include those listed in the credits as such, part of the main cast (past or in the present) in another series in the same network, a famous non-actor such as musician or athlete. — YoungForever(talk) 22:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
4+ episodes seem like far too strict requirement standards for this particular show, as the extremely compressed format of this series compared to the original (over 100 manga or anime episodes compressed into 8 in a single live action season) causes even for the story majorly important supporting characters such as Zeff and Kureha to only appear in one or two episodes. I think that we should gauge by the importance to the plot, not by number of appearances, especially so early in the production of this adaptation. David A (talk) 02:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
I agree that 4 episodes is probably a bit too strict since the first season was only 8 episodes; 2-3 is probably better with exceptions for extremely plot relevant characters that only appear once or twice. This lets us keep essentially the parental figures but removes characters like the various bartenders. It appears List of One Piece characters is tracking info for the manga, anime & live action so a stand-alone character list for the live action might not be needed. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
But again, extremely story-relevant characters that are crucial for quite long arcs in the manga and anime, will likely usually initially (as they will also show up several years later in the plot) be compressed into 1 to 2 episodes in the live action adaptation due to its fundamental formatting, so I think that we should include the characters that we know to be very relevant to the story, but exclude ones that are not, rather than go by episode numbers alone. David A (talk) 04:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
My issue is that we don't know how much the show will adapt (ie. how many seasons will it get) so I don't think we should keep characters who might be relevant because of a theoretical season 8. If the live action lasts that long, then those characters can be returned when they become relevant. We should focus on what is relevant within the released live action rather than speculate based on source material. Sariel Xilo (talk) 04:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Would a 2 episodes minimum limit be an acceptable compromise solution? David A (talk) 09:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the episode count breakdown below, a 3 episode min means removing 7 characters from Recurring and a 2 episode min means removing no characters from Recurring so I don't think 2 episodes is an acceptable threshold since MOS:TVCAST makes it clear that you don't list everyone. The 3 episode min would also mean removing all the guest characters which I think is acceptable because basically all of those characters appear just once. As far as I can tell, everyone who would be removed is already at the dedicated character list article so we don't need to duplicate the non-notable characters here. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Note: This proposal has been listed at the following project: WikiProject Television. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

List of characters with episode counts

Recurring

Season 2

Guest
  • Michael Dorman as Gold Roger - 1 episode
  • Ben Kgosimore as Mr. 7 - 1 episode
  • Nicole Fortuin as Ririka - 1 episode
  • Chanté Grainger as Banchina - 1 episode
  • Audrey Cymone as Shimotsuki Kuina - 1 episode
  • Nathan Castle as Shimotsuki Koushirou - 1 episode
  • Brashaad Mayweather as Patty - 2 episodes
  • Milton Schorr as Don Krieg - 1 episode
  • Litha Bam as Gin - 1 episode
  • Genna Galloway as Bellemere - 1 episode

Any character that appears in 3+ episodes has that episode count in bold. I would appreciate it if another editor double checks the episode counts in case I made an error somewhere. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of removing cast members based on episode count, especially since some are important characters despite only being in one episode (Roger, Kuina, and Bellemere come to mind). I think simply splitting the cast list into "main", and recurring/guest into "introduced in season 1", "introduced in season 2", etc. would be better. Still long, but at least organized. Unnamed anon (talk) 18:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
MOS:TVCAST states that "not every character deserves to be listed" so I think episode count is a useful threshold especially since List of One Piece characters exists ("If the series is long-running, and has a large number of recurring guest stars, it may be better to create a separate list of characters articles"). The see also template directs readers to that list article & if a character is mentioned in the plot summary but is not in the live-action list, then a direct link to that character's entry at the dedicated list article could be added. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
I also think that it is better to organise the list in the manner that you suggested, and that we should only sift away characters with a genuinely very minor role in the story. Removing Gol D. Roger seems like a far too harsh procedure for example. David A (talk) 19:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Not every character is notable (per the MOS) especially in shows which have large casts outside of the main characters. Being the key part of an episode or two doesn't make them not minor in terms of the overarching story. Both Law & Order: Special Victims Unit & Buffy the Vampire Slayer handle this by using a prose format focused on the main characters & key recurring along with a link to larger list of characters. This style might be a better fit. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
I think that a separate page with a longer list of cast members seems to be a good idea. David A (talk) 19:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Maybe we can format the cast members like ones on the FA/GA TV series articles such as The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest (an FA) or WandaVision (a GA) if it's necessart. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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