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A fact from Old-growth forest appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 August 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that there are large stands of primeval forest on the border between Poland and Belarus?

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The article looks bad

It looks like every new editor of the article tries to stick in his ideas. Many time new editor repeats the ideas that were already written above him/her. This article needs some protection from vandalism by green-worshippers :) Gentlemen, before you put the same "green" idea into the article, please make sure that you idea is not written in the article already. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativityisme (talk • contribs) 09:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reconsider?

In view of the changes and additions since February of 2013, does this article still deserve the flag that it is too North-America-centric? rowley (talk) 19:43, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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ancient woodland

It is suggested in the lede that the term in use in Great Britain for old-growth forest is 'ancient woodland'. Now whilst both terms (and others mentioned) are in frequent use in different parts of the world, I'm not sure that they are strictly the same. Ancient woodland in Britain can have seen a lot of human intervention - indeed usually has seen it - over the centuries. Perhaps someone with a deeper knowledge of the subject could assist? cheers Geopersona (talk) 04:57, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, To the best of my knowledge both old-growth and Ancient woodland will have seen some human activity. There may have been less activity per-hectare on larger and less densely populated contenents but that is speculative.

As the main article states "According to the World Resources Institute, as of January 2009, only 21% of the original old-growth forests that once existed on earth are remaining.[37] An estimated one-half of Western Europe's forests were cleared before the Middle Ages,[38] and 90% of the old-growth forests that existed in the contiguous United States in the 1600s have been cleared.[39]"

Why have a page on 'really-old-woodland/forest' and not include the UK where there exists extensive research and work on the topic? Maybe there exists terminoligy worldwide for 'really-old woodland/forest' we can include? There are references to mainland Europe, Asia, Australia, the USA and Canada so the UK should be noted too. If anything, having the reference to another similar terminoligy will increase the readers potential knowledge.

A discussion on the differences and amount of activity through history, and it's effect on biodiversity is perhaps a good issue for a scholarly journal, but the addition of similar terminoligy is, for now, useful.

All that said, the mention of and link to Ancient Woodland in the section 'Locations of remaining tracts' is perhaps sufficient.

Baldavier (talk) 16:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I concur that the meaning of "old growth" in the US and "ancient woodland" in the UK are very similar, including the possibility of heavy human disturbance. But there are some technical differences that could be better flushed out. Crescent77 (talk) 04:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with bias / general issues

Hello! There are a few issues I noticed in the article.

There are a few spots in the article, as wikipedia notes in the warning banner, where the worldwide view may not be exhibited. To me, this sentence from the lead section sounds like it is portraying logging in a negative light (loggers destroy while others protect): "Old-growth forests are economically valuable, and logging of these forests has been a point of contention between the logging industry (which cuts down forests that have been growing for hundreds of years) and environmentalists (who seek to protect and preserve the forests)."

The section entitled climatic impacts also has an issue portraying both sides. The overall tone of this section is that old-growth forests are actually neutral as far as carbon sequestration, or that disturbance is not a factor in determining the effect of a forests ability to sequester carbon. The sources cited are not all scholarly here, including Wired magazine. There is scientific research to contradict these claims and that should be noted. There is also some vague language in this section: "Critics note that at old-growth forests are often perceived to be in equilibrium, but could be releasing as much carbon dioxide as they capture, or are currently in a state of decay." Who are the critics? What are the criticizing exactly?

Lastly, the section on forest dynamics definitions may be overly long in reference to its relative importance to the overall topic.

I will be working to fix some of these things! Input is appreciated.

Rlfay (talk) 19:58, 12 April 2017 (UTC) Rachel[reply]

Changes made

Hello, I changed a couple of things about the article:

1. Changed last sentence of leading paragraph to sound less negative toward logging industries 2. Added references to scientific journals in the paragraph about climate change to make it seem less one-sided, demonstrated that old-growth forests may have more potential to sequester carbon that originally portrayed in paragraph. 3. Added additional paragraph to show that old-growth forests both influence climate change and are influenced by climate change.

Please review these changes, feel free to add to/deny any of them. I appreciate feedback.

Thanks! Rlfay (talk) 21:09, 12 April 2017 (UTC) Rachel[reply]

I like the changes you made, Rachel. I tweaked the sentence in the lead a little further, primarily to reflect that opinions can differ within the logging industry on cutting down old-growth. Tdslk (talk) 22:05, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indigenous stewardship

I think the definition of the old-growth forest should be expanded to include the ecosystems that are enhanced by the native peoples that live there. Many indigenous people that are not connected to the modern world consider themselves (and functionally are) members of the ecosystem themselves. Many of the old-growth forests we have today have only survived so long because of centuries and centuries of maintenance by the people who live in them. It is important to remember that humans come from the Earth just like any other animal does, and that we also have a role in the ecosystem just like any other organism. Houghoug (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia, in itself, doesn't expand definitions. It summarizes the definitions provided by reliable sources. If you have reliable sources that cover the definition you think should be included, feel free to add the definition along with the sources. Crescent77 (talk) 00:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Native forest" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Native forest has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 17 § Native forest until a consensus is reached. Hildeoc (talk) 10:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New website on European old-growth forests

We have created a new website on European virgin / old-growth forests. To our knowledge it is the only website giving general information on European old-growth forests. Please check the site, and if you like it add it to the External links section. Krasanen (talk) 13:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]