Talk:Okanagan language

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IPA & APA

I'm switching some examples that use the IPA over to the APA since cv-ok speakers use the APA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesaltflats (talk • contribs) 20:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

citation for # of speakers

I think the number is from Czaykowska and Kinkade's Salish Languages and Linguistics, 1998. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesaltflats (talk • contribs) 17:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

aboriginal name of Kettle River (Columbia River)

Hoping a linguist familiar with Syilx'tsn and its kin can identify "Ne-hoi-al-pit-kwu" and provide a translation; it's the USGS "alternate" name and I'm guessing it's Sylix'tsn, even though that -kwu ending looks (to my uneducated eyes) more like an Athapaskan-language name, and AFAIK there were no Athapaskans in the area (other than the Stuwix, who weren't on the Kettle). Please add any information about this to the Kettle River (Columbia River) page, and perhaps also provide the proper Syilx'tsn spelling (if "Ne-hoi-al-pit-kwu" is Syilx'tsn) and IPA, plus translation; the same would be nice on all other river and placenames article as you may see fit to share, of course.Skookum1 07:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The word is nxʷyaʔłpítkʷ which means Colville River, it cannot be analyzed further because the root of the word means ̓people who speak Colville̓. (talk Thesaltflats (talk) 08:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)thesaltflats[reply]

thanks, I'll add that to the river article, but I know I'll need a citation sooner or later....if you happen to have one around that would be great. By "Colville" you mean the Okanagan/Syilx'tsn language right?Skookum1 (talk) 12:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

n̓x̌ʷyiłpcn̓ is the name for the Colville dialect of Cv-Ok Salish, the band was called the sx̌ʷyiłpx. You can site The Complete Seymour by Pete Seymour edited by Tony Mattina for all of this info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesaltflats (talk • contribs) 20:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Colville Tribal language program is analyzing the band name sx̌ʷyiłpx as x̌ʷy-sharp and iłp-tree/bush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesaltflats (talk • contribs) 16:20, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion

How these came to be separately written I don't know, they have no reason to exist separately - Colville-Okanagan and Okanagan language. The latter seems the logical title, and is certainly the one more in use in Canada, the former is a linguist's designation and, to me (as an informed layman), seems also to refer to the mishmash of Salishan and other languages that has evolved on the Colville Reservation, and not to "pure Okanagan". I note also the Sinixt language has not yet been written, and from what I understand "Lakes" is sometimes considered to be a subdialect of Okanagan (not that today's Colville-based Sinixt activists want to admit that). Not also this article's different indigenous spelling - Sylxt'sn or whatever, which is used on the ONA site, vs the linguists' version of same on the Colville-Okanagan page.Skookum1 (talk) 15:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Skookum1, Glad to see another person working on salish materials. I would prefer a merge into Colville-Okanagan rather than vice-versa. The language consists of three dialects namely Colville, Lakes, and Okanagan. Colville differs from the other two in several notable ways: its shares vocabulary with spokane-coeur'd'alene-flathead and lacks the gamma which is present in both Lakes and Okanagan. Lakes retains archaic forms that Okanagan has dropped, which makes sense given the geographical isolation of the lakes territories. Also, there is no mishmash of salish on the colville reservation, the three languages there are nimipu (which is not salishan), moses-columbian and colville-okanagan-lakes; each are spoken and learned separately. As for using sylxt'sn versus nslxcin, that is once again a regional variation: both are correct. The difference is that the suffix for mouth has two forms "chin" and "cheen" which are used interchangeably here. I would favor keeping the article broad and having subsections for Colville, Okanagan, and Lakes. Additionally, since this language straddles the border it is vital that both sides get fair treatment. limlemt, xast a sckwull' pathlxw.

P.S. If you care to coordinate further on improving these articles you can reach me at gwiley@interiorsalish.comThesaltflats (talk) 08:28, 24 May 2010 (UTC)thesaltflats[reply]

Merged the content fork here because this is (1) the more developed article, (2) the one with the longer edit history, and (3) the name used in Mithun, Campbell, Kinkade, Ethnologue, etc.

If you want to move it, make a move request. It's more important to add info like you've described above than to quarrel over the name. — kwami (talk) 00:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How do you make a move request? I'm pretty terrible at all of the Wikipedia mechanics because I only work on this specific article.

Linguistic Analysis

I made some changes under what used to be marked pronouns. The pronouns in Colville Okanagan are incá, anwí, cniłc, mnimłtət, mnimłmp, and mnimłsəx. Since the section was about person markers for intransitive verbs (kən, kʷ, kʷu, p, əlx)I changed the name of the section and some of the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.56.141 (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vowels

The vowel section is confused. Is the schwa epenthetic? Can there be more than one non-schwa in a word/morpheme? It would appear that there can be, given the rest of the article, but that contradicts the implication of the vowel section. — kwami (talk) 22:51, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Morphology

The following example from the morphology section of the page is very confusing; the introduction and interlinear are clear, but the following discussion appears to apply to a different example which is not present:

[begin quote]

Additionally, Colville-Okanagan relies heavily on the use of suffixes to designate gender. Okanagan handles gender in much the same way, by attaching both determiner and ‘man' to the sentence, the gender of an object or subject can be communicated:

wikən iˀ sqəltmix^w

wik-

saw

-ən

1sg

iˀ

det

sqəltmix^w

man

"I saw the man"

In this example, there is a combination of 2nd singular marker with ‘wife.' ‘She' is encoded into the meaning of the word via the inclusion of the gender suffix at the end of the sentence. [end quote] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinholmes (talk • contribs) 20:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The IP who added this back in 2014 deleted the example, presumably by mistake. And no-one's noticed for a decade! I'll restore it. — kwami (talk) 02:48, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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