Talk:Ohio Company

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Clinic doctor?

The following sentence about the "Company's Clinic Doctor" was added to the article by User:Conaughy:

The Company's Clinic Doctor was to be from a veteran of the Kanawhan and "Falls of Ohio" early outpost Treaty Clinic Doctor, widower John Connolly Sr., George Croghan's brother inlaw, who was killed in 1747 protecting Clinic Indians, "Cawnoyes", on the Conestoga Manor.

Unfortunately, these lengthy footnotes do not support the information in the sentence. Which source states that John Connolly was to be the "company's clinic doctor"? Which source states that he had previously been a "Treaty Clinic Doctor"? Which source states that Connolly died "protecting Clinic Indians"? The purpose of footnotes is to provide support for the statements made in a sentence; these footnotes do not. Can you clarify? —Kevin Myers 03:58, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Mr Myers, I agree with you that this element, the clinic doctoring agreements with the Native Americans, is not important. It's the actual Fur Traders whom were the history makers, not the unflattering kindred of George Croghan. Frontier medicine is not so easy to document when reading earlier historians as Flemming & Gibson for example. Thus, I agree this sould be removed from the aricle. A Conestoga Manor History mentions his being killed in 1748 during a raid... at least one historian had confused the 1763 Paxton Boys raid with this earlier raid of 1748 concerning a land dispute. I'm not sure if it was Flemming or which 19th Century historian tried to make a connection of bitterness. It's un-flattering, but, especially not important in main-stream history. However, may I only begin to offer a quick citation that implies the relationship of earlier Indian Trade and how this Conestoga Manor, perhaps, caused the kinships by marriage with the Trade House Villages and clinic locations which were in many cases to be provided by the Crown:

Dr. John Connolly(Jr.), quoting by Franklin Ellis and Samuel Evans, "He was born in Manor township in the year 1744, upon the farm owned by James Patterson, the old Indian trader, and his wife Susanna, who owned the land as tenants in common."In 1743, Mr. Ewing died, and within a year after, she married an Irish officer named John Connolly, who had been a surgeon in the British service. He was a strong Roman Catholic. By this husband she had one son, the subject of this sketch. After her husband's death, which took place about the year 1747, she removed to Lancaster. She had a great deal of wealth, and it is presumed that she sent her son to the best schools the town afforded. She died in 1755, and it is supposed that her son was placed in the charge of Col. George Croghan, who was his uncle. Where or with whom he studied medicine is not now known, but he doubtless became attached to a roving and adventurous life while traveling with his uncle Croghan, whose business as an Indian trader took him among the tribes in the far West." THE CONESTOGA AREA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, History of Manor Township from History of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania with Biographical Sketches of Many of the Pioneers and Prominent Men. by Franklin Ellis and Samuel Evans. Philadelphia: Everts & Peck 1883 hapter LXV Manor Township.

So, again, may I agree with you as to not mentioning some of the few who provided frontier medicine and let the Fur Traders themselves continue to be the main them in this history. I do in earnest appreciate your tireless efforts here on WIKI. You desirve a "barnstar", respectfully in agreement, Conaughy (talk) 07:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for those kind words, Conaughy. By the way, I have nothing against mentioning early frontier doctors who provided services to Native Americans; it's just that we don't have any sources that specifically document this. If you know of any sources that document John Connolly (Jr or Sr) providing medical services to Native Americans, or of the Ohio Company providing such services, let's hear about it. Cheers. —Kevin Myers 15:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

There are some 'piece-mill' sort of documention found in several county histories written several decades ago. These sources are in the venue as, perhaps quoting Celeron's Journal of 1749, "This river (Great Kanawha) carries canoes for forty leagues without encountering rapids, and has its source near Carolina. The English of this government come by treaty to the Belle Rivière." Citation: J. R. Weldon & Co., Pittsburgh, 1892. Part 1, Pages 5-83. Journal of Captain Celeron. Also: Wisconsin Historical Collections, XVIII. Céloron's Expedition Down the Ohio, 1749, Céloron, to page 58. Unfortunately, this citation does not expressing say that the early British Patrols who most always had a British Military Surgeon among them, Colonel Connolly Sr., entered our valley then called the Allegheny River for this section of the Ohio Valley at that time as shown by early 18th Century maps. It is a cumbersome citation to use early 18th Century maps, citing the Cartographer whom in many cases never so much stepped foot in our region becuase they were basing on intellegence coming from these earlier Patrols. Some day maybe, I'll sort through my decades of research from earlier historians that can be backed up with these primary documents to include. My health and grandchildren have slowed me down quite a bit. A problem I must keep remembering when only trying to assist here with the WIKI, is-that, it is of very poor citation of the local Oral Traditions coming from sometimes mentioned during the festivities here at Fort Randolph. One can take for granted local common knowledge that is not so well known by the Main Stream Historian-- taken with a grain of salt do to lacking solid documention. Wishing you wellness Mr Myers, Conaughy (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully you'll be able to search through your old research at some point. If it's a well-known oral tradition that Connolly Sr. worked as a clinic doctor in the Kanawha Valley, maybe someone like Lyman Draper documented a version of the story. Cheers! —Kevin Myers 17:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Perimeters of the Ohio Company

With reference to the map near the top, one can notice that both sides of the Ohio River are encompassed. However, most of northwestern Ohio is excluded. I wish to emphasize why...the land there is very flat and was then covered by The Great Black Swamp (viz.), which was impossible to accurately survey and plat. Eventually a latticework of ditches was dug (still in existence), which carried the water into the Maumee River and some directly into Maumee Bay. Musicwriter (talk) 15:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

References

Inline Citations, Working Reference Links, Non-Fact Assertions, and Structure

I was researching Christopher Gist when I ended up on this article, and I couldn't help but notice the note from over two years ago to fix the citations here. Upon reading the "Formation" section and finding that the ONE inline citation is a dead-end link, I've started working on finding new sources for the information in this section. Moreover, I object to the unattributed statements on the views of British nationals and land speculators, so unless I'm able to find Wikipedia-worthy sources for those, I intend to remove them. I hope to simplify the presentation of the information and add references that are usable. MidwestCuttlefish (talk) 20:17, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Sufficient Citations?

I've added numerous in-line citations to around 10 sources. Although I haven't addressed the "French and Indian War" section, I'm going to remove the no citations banner. Feel free to replace it if you feel the need! MidwestCuttlefish (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Confusion regarding Augustine Washington

Under "Formation," the first graf lists the brothers Lawrence and Augustine Washington as founders. "Augustine" links to the entry for George Washington's father of that name, but he had died five years before the formation of the company. His son, also named Augustine, was indeed a brother of Lawrence Washington; both were elder half-brothers of George. Is the right move simply to de-link? I don't think Wikipedia has an entry for Augustine, Jr. Whogeland (talk) 21:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

De-linking makes sense to me! I say go ahead and do that. MidwestCuttlefish (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)