Talk:Official scorer

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
November 8, 2010	Peer review	Reviewed
December 29, 2010	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 11, 2010.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that by 1978, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and The Boston Globe banned their writers from working as official scorers for Major League Baseball due to a conflict of interest?

Current status: Good article

Deleted Text

I deleted the text:

the identities of the winning and losing pitchers, whether a relief pitcher is awarded a save, and if so, who gets it, and

This is because the official scorer does not "decide" the identity of the winning, losing or saving pitcher. These stats are awarded on the basis of the game situation alone. The losing pitcher is the pitcher who puts the runner on base who (later) scores the game winning run for the opposing team. The winning pitcher is the pitcher of record at the time that the game winning run is scored. As to the pitcher who is awarded a save, the baseball rule book says the following:

Rule 10.20 credits a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions: (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions: (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

The official scorer probably records these things, but he decides them no more than he decides if a baserunner advances.

Synaptidude

The official scorer can determine if a pitcher pitches "effectively" enough to earn a save in 10.20.1.c. He also determines the winning pitcher in some cases (when a starter does not pitch enough innings or when a reliever who would normally get the win is ineffective). See rule 10.19 at http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_scorer_10.jsp. In the vast majority of situations it's true that there's nothing for him to decide. And the text you deleted was incorrect. But it is also incorrect to say that he never has the authority to decide a winning pitcher or save situation.Kevin M Marshall 22:01, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Removed external links from article

I removed the following external links from the article:

On the Hot Seat: Official Scorers and No-Hitters [1]
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2005/08/the_official_sc_2.php
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_10_62/ai_107488947
"Red Foley Dies at 79; Scorer in 10 World Series". New York Times. The Associated Press. July 16, 2008. Retrieved 2009-11-19.
"Scorer's call was foul, says Brewers' GM". Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Hearst Seattle Media, LLC. The Associated Press. September 1, 2008. Retrieved 2009-11-19.

These might be usable as references, but they don't belong in a list of external links. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion and re-write

After a couple days of research and work, I have significantly expanded this article. My goal is to eventually get this to GA-status. Finding sources for this subject was rather difficult, because it is not well-covered (though undeniably high-importance) even within MLB in the US. What little I was able to find for minor league and international baseball scorers is in the article. (two or three sentences maybe?) Regarding the official scorer's responsibility, I agree with much of the above old commentary that this should not be about baseball scoring in general, we have a seperate article for that. Rather, the focus should be (and is, I think) about the scoring decisions that are owned by the official scorer, and any background information which might be needed to better understand the judgment calls that have to be made by that man or woman in the press box. A comprehensive article about scorekeeping in general would be far longer than this. If it does not even remotely involve a decision by the official scorer, it probably should not be in the article. (examples might include such trivial information where no discretion is allowed like crediting a batter who safely reaches second base after a hit in the alley with a double, what to do when a runner overslides a bag, etc.) Aaron north (T/C) 09:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Nomination

After expanding the article and going through a peer review, I believe this is ready for a GA review. If after the review it turns out that this article does not meet one or more criteria, I will likely be available to address any concerns that the GA reviewer may have. Aaron north (T/C) 03:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Official scorer/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this article likely after the christmas weekend, possibly before if I find time. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Read through the history. No issues so far, will finish tomorrow. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I read through the article twice, and did not come up with any errors; it's quite a great read, and I'm happy to call it a GA as is. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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