Talk:Oboe da caccia

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Hunting

What is the hunting relation? It doesn't seem very portable.

The whole body of the instrument is curved in a kind of giant "C" shape, making it look like the outline of a hunting horn (the round kind). It wasn't ever used on horseback, or for non-classical music purposes like hunting, it's just the name. Badagnani 14:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Latest Changes

I like the way you organized the text with headings--it makes a lot more sense now! --Cbrodersen 13:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; you can move stuff around as you see fit if you want to continue improving it. Badagnani 18:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edit of 1 October

I object to the unnecessary removal of information about Bach in this edit: http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Oboe_da_caccia&diff=prev&oldid=78893060 Badagnani 17:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this is the right technical way to answer to a talk. If not, would somebody please tell me how to do it?

I am sorry that I have offended user Badagnani, but after again comparing the versions, I can see no unnecessary removal of information about Bach. There was some false dating of Bach's earliest use of caccia and of dating the cantata BWV 13, which I changed and gave a source for. For further confirmation of dating, please see Christoph Wolff, Johann Sebastian Bach: The Learned Musician.

Caccia 07:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this explanation; your sourced additions are quite good and seem to clarify misconceptions that had existed earlier. It's good to have someone with special knowledge of this subject (as your user name seems to refer to this very instrument). You did, however, remove mention of some of the more prominent cantatas that feature it (this would be good to have in the article). Also, the use of the term "kerf" (width of saw cut) is confusing; can this be explained more clearly for our readers? Finally, is it true that historically the instrument was bored as a straight tube, then bent? I think the previous editor assumed it was made from a block of wood that was already curved, though it's unclear how one would bore out such a tube. Badagnani 07:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you recognized caccia as my user name despite the red color, whereas you and Brodersen have blue names. I still have no idea how this all works, would be most grateful for some technical tips. I registered with my email address and thought I had read that that would give you the possibility of writing to me directly and, of course, identifying me. Since the article mentions me as having made the first caccias in the 20th century, I thought this might be an appropriate user name for me, especially as my own first name - or with initial - had already been taken. Concerning "kerf", I now see that it is not present in The Pocket Oxford Dictionary, but it is in fact in http://dict.leo.org - so please just edit in any word you think will do it. Adding a list of Bach cantatas with caccia sounds like a good idea. Unless somebody beats me to it - I hope so - then I will get out Haynes' book at home and add some tonight or tomorrow. If you check that 1973 volume of Galpin Society Journal, you will see Karp's explanation of the construction, as well as reproductions of the x-ray pictures which clearly show the one-piece construction. That is: one piece plus the strip of wood glued into the inside curve - would you perhaps prefer to call this a lath? I myself make the caccias this way and to the best of my knowledge, so do the other contemporary makers.

Caccia 10:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're a caccia maker? That's really amazing. I most recently saw them in the Christmas cantata (I think the caccias were imitating rustic bagpipes) as played by two young players brought in for an Apollo's Fire concert in Akron, Ohio a couple of years ago. I myself am an oboist/english hornist but would love to get into Baroque oboes one day. To make your user page turn blue, just click on it and begin putting things in there. Look at any other user page of any editor to see what you might want to put in there. You might start with whatever information you'd like others to know about you, the sky's the limit. Also typical are user boxes telling which languages you know. If you want to write directly, you can use the "discussion" tab up top in my own page, or you can click on the left to "email this user," though it's much easier to use the former way. Please write if you ever have any other questions. Badagnani 10:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Curved English Horn

Hi, I just wanted to point out this fascinating example of a curved english horn with keys: the article mentions the technical difficulties of putting keys on a curved instrument, but at least one person did it. [1] - That's the picture, from this website - [2]. --Vlmastra 00:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]