Talk:Nowhere Man (Green novel)

First novel by John M Green

Nowhere Man is a first novel by John M Green. I enjoyed reading it. It was a bit of a page turner, so I got through it in only 2 mornings. While it is over 300 pages the print is a good size and it held my interest all the way through. dinghy (talk) 13:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Remove proposed deletion on basis of not notable and sources

Reviews include the following. I will update article and this page by 31 August as presently in remote QLD. Removing deletion tag now dinghy (talk) 11:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

1. Jennifer Byrne on ABC TV's First Tuesday Book Club "It's a futuristic, cyber-type thriller. I thought it was great fun. I enjoyed it" Spectrum, The Sydney Morning Herald
2. "a fast-paced, slightly futuristic thriller... mainstream airport fiction but the ideas, story and characters demand attention." (Kerryn Goldsworthy) The AGE
3. "...an atmospheric thriller set in the precarious world of high finance" The Sydney Morning Herald
4. "...one of those 'pick it up and can't put it down' reads" (Marcus Padley) Canberra Times
5. "A highly polished debut novel... Nowhere Man is a clever, interesting novel that delivers a stunning mid-book twist and a totally unexpected ending that will leave readers divided in their views. One of the most surprising thrillers of the year" (Jeff Popple) The Book Show, ABC Radio National
6. "I found myself very quickly caught up in the story and reading it far later into the night than I had anticipated." Interview by Peter Mares. The Herald-Sun
7. "GREAT READS. Verdict: Intriguing. Enigmatic stock trader Michael Hunt vanishes while his wife Sonya is out on her morning run along the beach, leaving a note telling her he has been kidnapped. Sonya is left with crippling debts... and launches an extraordinary adventure which owes more than an affectionate nod to the works of H.G.Wells. Author John M. Green is a co-founder of Pantera Press which has published Nowhere Man. Both his publishing ideals and his first novel are a credit to him." (Kit Galer) Good Reading Magazine ****
8. "This gripping missing-person/financial thriller is an exciting page-turner for everyone with an interest in personal relationships or monetary brinkmanship. Have tissues ready to wipe perspiration off your brow." (Clive Hodges) Nights with Walter Williams , 4BC Brisbane Radio
9. "Michael Crichton is good but [John M Green is] no slacker either... I’m ripping through this book... chapter after chapter [until] the eyes are hurting...it’s a really good read... A great mystery. A book has to get you from the opening paragraph... and [Nowhere Man] has... I’m looking forward to reading the rest." Click here to listen to the interview. Janine Perrett, The Perrett Report, Sky Business:
10. "I could kill you, as I began reading last night and couldn't put it down until early this morning... I enjoyed it... I'm sure it will be successful... It's a good read." Saturday Breakfast, ABC 720 Perth
11. "...a gripping thriller which will literally have you on the edge of your seat!" (James Lush) Click here to listen to the interview. Courier Mail
12. “Michael Hunt is charming, evasive and mysterious. It is the generous helping of mystery in this science-fiction-cum-thriller, and how the disconnected story threads involving Michael's sudden disappearance, a love-triangle murder and strange yet desirable software, are woven together that creates its readability factor. Every new discovery only compounds the enigmatic mood and teasing power of the plot... Green's strength lies in conjuring a bewildering landscape of betrayals.” (Gillian Bramley-Moore) Berkelouws Bookshop, Balgowlah
13. "We loved it." Arcadia Bookshop, Newmarket, Auckland NZ on Leighton Smith Radio Newstalk ZB
14. "I enjoyed it... it’s a great premise that this woman has access to information that can help her achieve things on the stock market.” Readings Monthly
15. "Not only is this a white-knuckled thriller with a disturbing edge - its initial drafts predicted the future. In August 2001, the author fictionally blew up New York's World Trade Centre. Following 9/11, he revised the novel and included a financial catastrophe before the GFC, which he's now brought in with devastating effect." Booktopia Buzz
16. “THE BEST OF LOCAL FICTION... John M. Green’s experience in money matters has been brought to bear in this tight, taut financial thriller... Nowhere Man is a financial thriller with a sharp disturbing edge that crosses over financial deals, corporate crises, murder, love and conspiracy as a woman's search from Sydney to New York for her mysteriously missing husband turns into a search to find herself.” (Toni Whitmont)

Potential merge into author's article after it's created

I'm leaning towards creating the author's page and redirecting there. I'm finding bits and pieces, but so far individual parts just aren't enough to show that this book passes notability guidelines. There's assertions of sources above, but I'm having trouble finding all of those sources. I have a feeling that some of them are only mentioning this book in passing in relation to other things, such as the author or his publishing company. I'll place what I find here until then. [1] Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• It also doesn't help that some of them look to be relatively unusable as RS as well. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• OK, I went through the sources asserted earlier in the article and tried to find them. The big problem I ran into was that the sources are largely missing. Most of them are asserted on the publisher's website, but the problem there is that we can't verify how in-depth many of them actually are. I ran into a problem where many of the "reviews" are actually one line blurbs where someone mentioned them offhandedly while discussing something else. It's far from the in-depth reviews that we need and given that so many of the one-off mentions were misrepresented to be more in-depth than they actually are, I hesitate to consider anything a RS if we can't verify how in-depth they actually are. The minimum would be something like a Publisher Weekly review and even then that's pushing it. I also had a problem where many of the sources were from people who had a COI in some format. Many of the mentions were from merchant sources, as the reviews were from booksellers that would of course benefit from the book selling. Even if they were being honest, a merchant source is still a merchant source. Then I also ran into the problem where a few of the claimed reviews are actually from one source rather than two separate reviews/articles about the book- double dipping, so to speak. Even if the combined US Senate calls out that they love the book in unison, that would be 1 source rather than 100. I also discovered that the Australian review I linked to above would be seen as a primary source since Green writes for them. In any case, here's the rundown of sources.

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[2] The Jennifer Byrne review isn't really a review. It's a very, VERY brief mention of the book when asked what she's reading. It's ultimately what would be considered a trivial source. Opinion: trivial. I can't find any mention of the book on The Age/SMH. The only proof of this is on the publisher's website here. That's not really proof enough at the end of the day. It doesn't help that what little I can find through potential "junk" websites (which could just be mirroring the publisher's page), mentions that it's "books in brief". Opinion: unverifiable, meaning that it's unusable. The SMH and Age are owned by the same company, so their websites brought up the same results. I found this article that had a bit about the book in it, which is helpful albeit brief. This article also briefly mentioned him, but it's too brief to use and it pretty much trivial. Opinion: also unverifiable This mention is ultimately trivial, a mention in passing. It's far from the in-depth review that we'd require.Opinion: trivial. Another review I'm unable to find any mention of. The publisher claims it exists and there's a bit about it here, but I can't guarantee how in-depth it is.Opinion: also unverifiable The Mares article is already on the article. Opinion: usable for notability purposes I see where Good Reading Magazine mentioned where it was featured in one of their magazines, but they quote the Hodges review. However I wouldn't consider it a RS because the contact us page shows that just about anyone can submit a review or a book. There's no way of verifying that the review underwent any sort of editorial process and/or wasn't something that was solicited by the publisher/author. Opinion: unusable [3] I found this on the publisher website and it links to an interview of Green. It's good, but I'd probably use this more on an article about Green. Opinion: usable, but would probably be better for an article for Green as a whole I can't find anything to back this up other than the publisher's site. If we can't verify how in-depth it is through the actual news article, we can't use it. Opinion: also unverifiable The Saturday Breakfast mention is already on the article. 'Opinion: usable for notability purposes The Lush mention is actually the same thing as the Saturday Breakfast interview, so we can't double dip for one source in this manner.Opinion: unusable as a separate source from the prior one The next two were from random bookshops. Those don't count for notability even if they're considered to be relatively notable bookstores, as they were undoubtedly selling the book and thus have an incentive to give it a positive review regardless of where they voiced their opinion. Opinion: unusable Readings Monthly is a paper put out by a retailer. It ultimately falls under the same problem as the two bookstore reviews. No matter how nicely laid out the magazine is, it's ultimately a merchant source and would be suspect since they are selling the same book that they are reviewing. Opinion: unusable Booktopia Buzz is a blog run by local bookstores and has the same issue of COI as it's ultimately a merchant source in the end. Opinion: unusable Toni Whitmont is a reviewer for Booktopia Buzz, so this is another case of double dipping from one review/article to make it seem like there's more coverage than there is. Opinion: unusable

Now that I've sorted them, I'm going to try to figure out if there's enough for a separate book article or if my initial thought to make an article for Green and merge information to that article would be the right move. I'm leaning towards making his article, as his publishing company's article also has trouble establishing enough notability for a standalone article as well. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:58, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

• Just saw that this link asserts that he wrote for The Age, making anything by them a primary source since he worked for them in some context. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)