Talk:Not in Love (Crystal Castles song)

Not in Love (Crystal Castles song) is currently a Songs good article nominee. Nominated by Skyshiftertalk at 22:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

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A fact from Not in Love (Crystal Castles song) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 August 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans for "Not in Love" because they became attached to Robert Smith's demo vocals?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 00:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?~~

Source: https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/8988-crystal-castles/

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aoi Koga

Converted from a redirect by Skyshifter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Skyshiftertalk 22:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Man, I haven't heard this record in years. @Skyshifter: Not a review, but I would question whether this deserves a standalone article when the content could be merged into Not in Love (Platinum Blonde song). This would not affect eligibility here because it can run as a 5x expansion.--Laun chba ller 18:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig only picks up quotes. Article and source say "because we were all attached to his raw demo vocals" and the hook says "were so captivating", and I'm not convinced these are exactly the same thing.--Laun chba ller 10:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: here's another hook:

ALT1: ... that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans for "Not in Love" because they became attached to Robert Smith's demo vocals?

Skyshiftertalk 10:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good enough for me. (I still think that Not in Love (Platinum Blonde song) should be redirected to your article, but I'll leave you to pull the trigger.)--Laun chba ller 10:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The original"

For this song, the original is Platinum Blonde in 1983. It was barely any difficulty to fit that in with what was already written here, and the original, though not the hit of the century, did become well known enough that calling the Crystal Castles album version "original" sounded very weird. (Maybe it only sounded weird to an old man, but some old men do read stuff on Wikipedia.) :) TooManyFingers (talk) 14:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Not in Love (Crystal Castles song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Skyshifter (talk · contribs) 22:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a. (reference section):

b. (citations to reliable sources):

c. (OR):

d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a. (major aspects):

b. (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

I will review this later today! --K. Peake 09:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Synthpop → Synth-pop with the wikilink in the infobox
- Done
I think it would be appropriate to mention the recording process of Smith's vocals that were originally seen as demo vocals, then used
- Done
Follow this sentence with one about the composition of the covers
- Done
To make the lead more expansive, re-arrange the reception so the sentence about critics calling the album version unexciting is followed up by what they praised about the version with Smith and then start a new sentence for the best songs of 2010s rankings, adding names of publications this included
- Done
Remove the Belgium chart mention for the lead because these are Ultratop charts, also mention the certification was in Canada by Music Canada to specify
- Done

Background and release

The reference does not back up the song being originally by Platinum Blonde
- Added
"Another press release mentions" → "Another press release mentioned"
- Done
Re-invoke [3] at the end of the sentence with Ethan Kath's direct quote
Remove the release year of Crystal Castles from brackets since this needn't be done a second time
"Robert Smith recorded "raw" → "Smith recorded "raw"
"was sung; they decided to keep it" → "was sung and decided to keep the song"
"The Robert Smith version of" → "The Smith version of" although the source says October 25 so shouldn't you use this as the date of announcement?
"and officially released" → "and officially released as a single"
Pipe acoustic to Acoustic music
"A music video directed" → "An accompanying music video directed" to be specific

Composition

Wikilink Ethan Kath and pipe Robert Smith to Robert Smith (musician) on the audio samples
- Done
"the version with Robert Smith." → "the version with Smith."
Beats per Minute → Beats Per Minute and pipe to Beats Per Minute (website); the staff member's name is used in the source so mention here please too

Critical reception

Album version

"was generally considered unexciting." → "was generally considered unexciting by critics." and put the refs into order
Pipe B-side to A-side and B-side
Beats per Minute → Beats Per Minute and remove pipe to Beats Per Minute (website); the staff member's name is used in the source so mention here please with the last name this time
"and that it "sounds the way" → "and sounding "the way"
"said that this track" → "said that the track"

Robert Smith version

Mention this was the staff of Fact
To avoid overquoting, put the last part of Dombal's quote into your own words as something like "one of Crystal Castles' catchiest works"
"and "Once again, Kath and Glass spun aesthetic" → "as Kath and Glass manage to spin "aesthetic" per above – re-invoke the ref at the end of this sentence too per direct quoting
"ages" while providing a" → "ages", while providing a"
Put some of Molly Beauchemin's quote into your own words to avoid overquote
"described it as the" → "described the song as the"

Accolades

Regarding the lists, rather than mentioning so many in the first sentence I would only mention any notable rankings like the highest few in prose
Beats per Minute → Beats Per Minute and pipe to Beats Per Minute (website)

Commercial performance

Create this section because the positions need to be written out in prose to be in the lead

Track listing

Good

Personnel

Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel

Charts

See MOS:TABLECAPTION
ARIA Charts → ARIA in the table as this is how it is supposed to be formatted

Certifications

See MOS:TABLECAPTION

References

Copyvio score shows violation possible for the Pitchfork decade ranking so cutting down on the direct quoting should fix this
Done
UnderTheRadar → Under the Radar and pipe to Under the Radar (magazine) on ref 3

This is actually a different magazine.

Beats per Minute → Beats Per Minute and pipe to Beats Per Minute (website) on ref 14

Done

External links

Good

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed after knocking this review out! --K. Peake 20:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]