Talk:Northern gannet

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Solant bird

I can't find any evidence that this species has ever been called "solant bird". The only GHits are to WP mirrors. Pburka (talk) 20:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it. Pburka (talk) 20:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Largest colonies

According to the article "In 2004, [Bass Rock] contained more than 48 000 nests...The Bass Rock is now the world's largest colony of Northern gannets" and also "Saint Kilda is the largest colony in Europe with more than 60 000 nests".

This is clearly wrong - if St Kilda has more nests than Bass Rock, how can Bass Rock be the world's largest colony? Newburyjohn (talk) 18:31, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The colonies around the British Isles are shown the book published by the BBC - but have I referred to the publication correctly - there is no author?Osborne 20:17, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

WikiProjects

Apparently this article is related to WikiProject Africa, WP Western Sahara, WP Caribbean and WP Saint Pierre & Miquelon. This seems silly since it's a North Atlantic bird, but I don't know how to remove the connections Newburyjohn (talk) 18:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC) OK I think I've successfully deleted the WikiProject relationships. Newburyjohn (talk) 18:48, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"better known as the jan-van-gent "

Oh yeah? Where? Kostaki mou (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notes on references

References numbers as in this version

54 "Eldey island". needs publisher. Is this source required?

removed Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

87 "Nature's Calendar: Series 1: Rocky islands: Body language". BBC. I cannot access the video. This isn't a great source anyway.

- Aa77zz (talk) 15:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

removed Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

109 del Hoyo, Elliot & Sargatal 1992 - need page number - why not use the online version (Ref 24 instead)

Done Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

110 del Hoyo 2004 - need page number

-Aa77zz (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Switched to ref 24 too, no more recent figure, thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More sources

Look into this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:07, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Northern gannet/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 10:36, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great topic! Happy to offer a review. Josh Milburn (talk) 10:36, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

great/thx! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:40, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks from me too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:02, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"There are three other colonies along the Norwegian coast, all on low islands" I want to hear more! We have loads on the UK colonies (including a former UK colony), but only briefly mention the Norwegian ones.

just found a bunch of stuff on Norway - ~~will digest and add~~ (it supercedes Nelson material). Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC) added now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"In the case of the larger fish species northern gannets will only eat the young fish." Apparently unreferenced?

Removed, pointless saying that they can't eat fish that are too big for them Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cliff is linked on about the fifth mention.

Now first Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"104.5 grams" This is not consistent with how you referred to weights earlier. It also seems very specific.

Added convert template. An average is what it is, I don't think that quoting to 0.1 g is excessively specific, it's pretty standard for low weights Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The average lifespan is 17 years" Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that this is the average lifespan if they survive their first four years?

The source has a standard format for all the species it covers, no indication that it is anything other than whole lifespan. A 30% survival over the first four years is actually very high (incidentally I've tweaked the text a bit since it was ambiguous as it stood) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the fencing picture should be shifted downward?

Done Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The first mention of regurgitation is in the discussion of the skuas. Presumably it should be mentioned earlier?

See para 6 of "Breeding" Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Since levels of these toxic levels" metals?

Indeed Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:08, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is "gannet oil"?

Tweaked tect to clarify Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:08, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any opposition to the continued collection of "gugas"?

I'll add something shortly Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:02, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder whether the reference to "ten men" might more appropriately be "10 people"?

The source says "men", and i can't find any indication that it has ever involved women, so I think to suggest otherwise would be misleading. If the practice lacks diversity, I'm not sure we should suggest it's inclusive. What does Cas Liber think? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Given that (I suspect) the Ness society to be pretty conservative and have gender-delineated roles. I suspect that the people that go are always me. But more importantly, if the source says "men" then I think "men" it is. Other sources online seem to say the same. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:56, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This might be more dialectical than I realise, but I was surprised to see no mention of gannet being used to refer to a gluttonous person.

Added "The feeding habits of the gannet have led to its name being used as slang for a gluttonous person, a usage first recorded in 1929." sourced to OED Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:02, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new to Scottish Gaelic, but my understanding is that an extended meaning of the Scottish Gaelic word for gannet sùlaire is a gluttonous person. Shore-living Scots and their predecessors relied heavily on gannets and their eggs as dietary supplements and even as staples (see St Kilda), so they would have been keen on gannet behavior. So apparently a Scottish Gaelic cultural usage, perhaps that then spilled over into English. Farefeerfalling (talk) 23:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look fine and I'm not going to pick on formatting at GAC.

Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could you mention in the caption of File:Morus-bassanus.JPG that it is a captive bird shown?

Done Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have an image of chicks or eggs? (An image of gannets for sale or being served would be interesting, too, but I realise that would be a big ask.)

Added a chick Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of bringing up showing the egg[1] too, but perhaps there is too little space left? I think showing the egg would be more important than some of the other more repetitive images of adults. FunkMonk (talk) 11:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Added egg image, it fits in an appropriate space Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:54, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's about it. I made some edits as I went (please double-check those), but this looks very polished. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, I've fixed what I can, hopefully Cas can sort the others Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok: I respectfully disagree on the "men" point, but I'm willing to concede it. There is currently a mention in the lead that the birds are eaten on the Faroe Islands, but there are no details about this (beyond the old myth) in the culture section. I was also initially confused as there was no mention of breeding colonies on the Faroe Islands; what are the Faroese eating, and how are they hunting them? (And how are they cooking them, I suppose!) Josh Milburn (talk) 19:00, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The culture section does in fact say they are still culled in small numbers on Mykines, which is in the Faroes. Apart from what is already there about smoking, I've nothing to hand about cooking, I'll see what I can find tomorrow Jimfbleak - talk to me? 20:07, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've added Mykines, the only Faroes site, to the colonies, also numbers culled there, and I've added cooking techniques. Also a Homeric gannet myth. It looks as if Cas Liber has updated Norway too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great; I think this article now far surpasses the GA criteria, and so I am very happy to promote it. Great work; I'm always thrilled to see such strong articles on British species. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

great/thx Josh - no prizes as to guessing where it's going next .... ;) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:35, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

J Milburn, yes, thanks for such a thorough review, it's good prep for FAC. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:29, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The northern gannet (Morus bassanus) is a seabird, the largest species of the gannet family, Sulidae. It is native to the coasts of the Atlantic Ocean, breeding in Western Europe and northeastern North America.

Nesting takes place in colonies on both sides of the North Atlantic, the largest of which are at Bass Rock, St. Kilda, and Ailsa Craig in Scotland; Grassholm in Wales; and Bonaventure Island off the coast of Quebec. Colonies are mostly located on offshore islands with cliffs, from which the birds can more easily launch into the air. The northern gannet undertakes seasonal migrations and catches fish (which are the mainstay of its diet) by making high-speed dives into the sea.

The northern gannet was previously hunted for food in certain parts of its range, and although that practice still continues in the Outer Hebrides of Scotland and the Faroe Islands, the bird faces few other natural or man-made threats.

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