Talk:North and South (miniseries)

"North and South: The Next Generation"

I removed this information because as of yet, there has been no work from John Jakes or anybody else about this project. All of the information that had been listed had come from message boards about what such a series could be about, and not from the creators of the original series themselves. And because the speculative subject was dated from 2005, something more substantial would have come out by now if it was really going to happen. Mushrom 19:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

• • Do you mean this, from June 2007 ? Where does this rumor come from ? Just wonder. (83.20.108.20 21:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

There is talk of doing another miniseries called "North and South: The Next Generation". This miniseries would focus on the mid twentieth century descendants of the Mains and Hazards as they deal with issues such as the Cold War, Civil Rights, the Kennedy Assassination, Motown music, Beatlemania, Psychedelic Rock, the Vietnam War, Woodstock, and Watergate.

In the Book I Episode 1 part it states that George is the oldest son, but in the Book II Episode 2 part George's older brother takes over the family factory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.43.100.41 (talk) 09:10, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Added a difference between miniseries and novel (Orry meeting Madeline at different times) Rfeezle 20:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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Inconsistencies

Is there any point in mentioning inconsistencies between the books and the series? One major inconsistency is that Bent is from Ohio, not Georgia as stated in the film. Another is the lack of Orry's loss of an arm. I could go on... I'm sure there are quite a few others. — KV5 • Talk • 00:49, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

There is nothing unusual about a film/TV adaptation diverging from a source novel. In fact it seems like a completely faithful transition would be the exception. There are plenty of reasons for altering the story for film/TV. A film, or even a miniseries like this, often simply doesn't have the time to deal with everything presented in a novel. Another reason is that the producers want to hold the interest of those in the audience who have already read the novel. If everything in the miniseries happens the same as it does in the novel, then anybody who has read the novel already knows how everything ends. Changing the story line for TV can help maintain the suspense because now the audience doesn't already know everything. There's also the fact that a huge TV audience that had grown so invested in Patrick Swayze would not have liked it one bit if Orry had met with the same fate in the series as he did in Love and War. And I don't think there's any way network TV in the 80s would have been okay with Bent's being portrayed the way he was in the novels. Network TV was still very wary of any portrayal of homosexuality and to the extent that they were willing to address it at all, they would have feared facing serious backlash for having the one gay character portrayed as a sick, demented predator. Beetfarm Louie (talk) 11:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Some Changes to Summary of Book II, Episodes 1 & 2

I rewrote part of the summary of Book II, Episode 1 to provide a few more details and make it less clunky. "The South is the winner" is just a really ham-handed take on an episode that ends with such dissonance.

I changed "steel-factory" to "ironworks" in the summary for Book II, Episode 1, and in the summary for Episode 2, I changed the sentence "George's older brother Stanley takes over the family's steel factories" to "George's older brother Stanley assumes control of Hazard Iron." Iron and steel are not the same thing. Hazard Iron, as depicted in both the novel and the miniseries, produces iron, which would have been low-carbon wrought iron, not steel, which at the time of the series was still several years away from being produced in the US on an industrial scale. In the novel, George corresponds with English inventor Henry Bessimer about the possibility of Hazard Iron licensing the Bessimer Process for producing steel, but nothing comes of it. Beetfarm Louie (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Extras used in the mini-series

Nothing is mentioned about the 3500+ Civil War Reenactors used as extras in the film. I believe they deserve some honorable mention as it was mentioned in the film credits. I was one of them, and enjoyed the experience. I saw Hal Holbrook, and got autographs from Lewis Smith and James Read. C. Cason of South Carolina.  2600:1700:2AD0:C000:DC12:AC8F:94A:1F9A (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

As long as you can cite a reliable source for the numbers, I see no problem with adding that to the article where appropriate. The way the article appears now, I would suggest putting it at the end of the section titled "Crew" with a footnote linking to the source. Beetfarm Louie (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Orry introduced as "the second son"

The new plot summary for the first episode of North and South refers to Orry Main as the "second son". While Orry was the second son in the original novel, and the character of his older brother Cooper Main does appear in the third instalment of the television trilogy, he does not appear in either Book I or Book II and no mention of him is made. In the world of those two series he simply did not exist. I have not watched the Heaven and Hell episodes and so don't know how his absence to that point is dealt with, but introducing Orry as the second son this way is a bit misleading when a person unfamiliar with the novel and watching the series from the beginning would never get any impression that there was another son of Tillet and Clarissa Main until he suddenly appears in Book III. Instead he should be as unmentioned in the descriptions of Books I and II as he was in the actual series and then the description for Book III should introduce him as a new character. Beetfarm Louie (talk) 16:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)