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Question to ask

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How many more referneces is needed for this page? I thought these references should be enough.--LAi zhen kang (talk) 06:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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NS6 working name?

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Is it possible for someone to confirm if there is a working name for NS6? Once heard that the station working name is actually Kadut based on newspaper report from the 90s. Would it be possible to get a source? -115.66.196.146 (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redrafting the NSL page

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Hello. I have been working on a new version of the NSL page and I will like some feedback. Every opinion is important and I do not wish to make further big edits without knowing the thoughts of my fellow editors. Thank you.--ZKang123 (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-GA review

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@ZKang123 and 1.02 editor: just wanted to let you know I'd like to do the GA review for this article but it contains a substantial amount of issues that I believe would result in an immediate failure. I would like to work with the both of you here so that we can resolve them without any time restrictions. To name a few issues:

  • Too many pictures  Done
  • Lead is too short; it should (1) summarize everything substantially covered in the article and (2) not include information not covered in the body of the article  Done
  • Missing information regarding service and ridership -- ideally there should be a Service section in the body and within it a Ridership subsection  Done
  • Prose on Route should be more detailed, describing the entire route  Done
  • Station subsection needs prose  Done

There's more, but I figured we'd take it slow. Cheers. --Truflip99 (talk) 17:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Truflip99: Thanks for the response. What I am afraid more of when creating more prose (especially regarding the route) is that there are not much sources to back it up, and may sound more like a guide or original research. I am unsure what can be written about the station subsection, but you can try to suggest what can be written.
About photos, I may try to cut down some of them.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Google Maps more than suffices on routes. Here is an example: MAX Orange Line#Route --Truflip99 (talk) 01:45, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also another problem is that there isn't really data on the ridership on the NSL itself; usually the data is combined with the East West line. (https://www.sgcarmart.com/news/article.php?AID=18749)--ZKang123 (talk) 01:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Truflip99: The ridership statistics for the MRT are only given as a whole for the system and is reflected on the Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) page. Also, regarding service, are you referring to the headways of the train? Will try to look for sources to expand the route section but cant guarantee much. 1.02 editor (T/C) 02:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@1.02 editor: Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I do mean headway, as well as operation hours. Adding how long a journey takes between the termini and won't hurt either. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft for route prose

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As the name implies, the North South line connects central and southern Singapore to the north of the island but also connects the north with the west. The line is 45 kilometres (28 mi) long and is predominantly double track, widened to three tracks for short sections at Woodlands station[1], Yishun station[2] and Ang Mo Kio station[3], and four tracks at Jurong East station[4].

The North South line begins above ground at Jurong East station, and continues north above a set of elevated viaducts, with the exception of a short tunnel between Bukit Batok and Bukit Gombak stations[5] and a surface section of track between Bukit Gombak and Choa Chu Kang stations.[6]

The line curves from Yew Tee to Kranji stations, from which it continues eastwards and paralles several main roads, such as Woodlands Avenue 3 (which the line briefly cuts underneath between Kranji and Marsiling stations)[7] and Avenue 7.[8] After Semabwang station, the line follows the route of Canberra Link and Yishun Avenue 3, curving southwards. Between Khatib and Yio Chu Kang stations, paralleling Lentor Avenue, the line continues at surface level, with this section being the longest distance between any two MRT stations in Singapore.[9]

The line continues above ground for Yio Chu Kang and Ang Mo Kio stations, then it goes back to surface level and serves the MRT system's only at-grade station Bishan station. After Bishan, the line goes underground through the Central Area. The line runs parallel to the East West line at City Hall and Raffles Place stations, which are also cross-platform interchanges to the EWL. The line then ends at Marina South Pier.[10]

The NSL branches off to Bishan Depot between Ang Mo Kio and Bishan stations.[11]

More works on the route. What do yall think?--ZKang123 (talk) 07:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edit

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The North South line forms an incomplete loop from Jurong East in the west side of Singapore, north to Sembawang, and south to downtown. It is 45 kilometres (28 mi) long and is predominantly double-tracked, but certain short sections at Woodlands station, Yishun station and Ang Mo Kio station widen to three tracks, and four tracks at Jurong East station. The line begins above ground at Jurong East station from where it continues north on a set of elevated viaducts, with the exception of a short tunnel between the Bukit Batok and Bukit Gombak stations and a surface section of track between the Bukit Gombak and Choa Chu Kang stations. The line curves from the Yew Tee to Kranji stations and continues eastwards, paralleling several main roads including Woodlands Avenue 3 (which the line briefly cuts underneath between Kranji and Marsiling stations) and Avenue 7.

After Semabwang station, the line follows the route of Canberra Link and Yishun Avenue 3, curving southwards. Between the Khatib and Yio Chu Kang stations parallel to Lentor Avenue, the line continues at surface level; this section contains the longest distance between any two MRT stations in Singapore. The line continues above ground for the Yio Chu Kang and Ang Mo Kio stations, then it goes back to surface level for Bishan station, the MRT system's only at-grade station. After Bishan, the line goes underground through the Central Area. It runs parallel to the East West line at the City Hall and Raffles Place stations, which are also cross-platform interchanges to the East West line. The line terminates at Marina South Pier. The NSL branches off to Bishan Depot between Ang Mo Kio and Bishan stations.

Comment: Is there a reason why "North South line" is written out with a lower-case "L"? Even though official signs have it capitalized? --Truflip99 (talk) 16:50, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think that has been debated before, but I am not completely sure. I think it is best to ask @Seloloving: who proposed to change the name once.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for writing that prose on route. It looks great. I did some copy editing, so you might want to double check it for Singapore English (I use American). I've marked off on the checklist items above. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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@Truflip99: I need to know what else is needed for the lead, because I can't find what is still missing. Can you please elaborate on how it can be improved? Besides, I also hope to see what other issues are there to be resolved.--ZKang123 (talk) 03:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ZKang123: Use Red Line (Sound Transit) as an example. Also, make sure you aren't putting refs in the lead -- that's best for the body. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Truflip99: I have embellished the lead with the necessary details. Any other issue are there for the article?--ZKang123 (talk) 04:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ZKang123: Truthfully, this article has improved quite a lot. The only other thing I would do right now is to get rid of that long quote that does even have a source to it. Kudos to all the work you two did. I certainly think it's fit for a review. Since I contributed to this unofficial peer edit I'll give it a few days for someone else to grab this. There is currently a GA review marathon and I'm sure it will get picked up in no time. Cheers. --Truflip99 (talk) 04:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

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  1. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (28 March 2020). "Woodlands MRT station" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  2. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (28 March 2020). "Yishun MRT station" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  3. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (28 March 2020). "Ang Mo Kio MRT station" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  4. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (28 March 2020). "Jurong East MRT station" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  5. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (28 March 2020). "Tunnel between Bukit Batok and Bukit Gombak" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  6. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (28 March 2020). "Surface section of track between Bukit Gombak and Choa Chu Kang" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  7. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (28 March 2020). "Tunnel underneath Woodlands Avenue 3" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  8. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (31 March 2020). "NSL along Avenue 7" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  9. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (28 March 2020). "Surface section of track between Khatib and Yio Chu Kang" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  10. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (31 March 2020). "Marina South Pier station" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  11. ^ OpenStreetMap contributors (31 March 2020). "Bishan Depot" (Map). OpenStreetMap. Retrieved 28 March 2020. {{cite map}}: |author= has generic name (help)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Opening statement

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In reviews I conduct, I may make small copyedits. These will only be limited to spelling and punctuation (removal of double spaces and such). I will only make substantive edits that change the flow and structure of the prose if I previously suggested and it is necessary. For replying to Reviewer comment, please use  Done,  Fixed, plus Added,  Not done,  Doing..., or minus Removed, followed by any comment you'd like to make. I will be crossing out my comments as they are redressed, and only mine. A detailed, section-by-section review will follow. —♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@1.02 editor: as co-nom. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As this the first of the reviewees' articles that I have reviewed, they should note that I am a grammar pendant and will nitpick in the interest of prose quality. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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  • (from approximately 5.30 am to around midnight) Give and link the local time, and render "5.30" as "5:30" per MOS:TIME  Fixed
  • All the trains on the NSL runs Should just be "run".  Fixed
  • split from the East West line "East West line" should have a wikilink.  Done
  • In the 1990s, the line extends Should be "extended"  Fixed
  • ageing Is this part of the local English dialect?
  • of the line includes Should be "include"  Fixed
  • and set to open Should be "and are set"  Fixed

History

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There is a lot of history that needs adding. Context, such as the need for public transport, and progression, such as the construction of the line, are missing here. We start at After the decision to build a rail-based urban transport system in Singapore, [...], on what feels like page 2 or 3 of the metaphorical book. The prose here is otherwise solid.

 Doing... I have lifted a portion from the MRT page which provides the necessary context. If you think it is sufficient, I will mark as done.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:05, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thank you. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 20:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Subsequent developments

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  • Move or delete one of the images here; there's some WP:SANDWICH going on between them and the timeline.  Done
  • The NSL platforms of the Bishan station went through major alterations for the station to be linked to the Circle line. When?
  • Jurong East Modification Project (JEMP) This is the only time this acronym is used.  Fixed
  • The 1-kilometre (0.6 mi), one station extension Confusing.  Fixed
  • implementation of the new CBTC signalling system Link this CBTC system here.  Fixed
  • Vesak Day Holiday Link.  Fixed
  • Construction works for Replace with "Construction of".  Fixed

Incidents

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  • a 23-year-old driver driving his Replace "driver" with "man".  Fixed
  • driving his brother's Mercedes E200 lost control of the car Consider simplifying this to "lost control of his vehicle"; otherwise, link the Mercedes.  Fixed
  • crashing through Should be past tense.  Fixed
  • due to damage sustained on 40-metre power rail Is this a 40-metre power rail, or 40 metres of power rail? Add Template:Convert here, too.  removed
  • The nature of the incident discussed in the second paragraph confuses me. What caused the damage? Two days later, a similar fault Implies either an earthquake or a design oversight?
  • started with a flooding in the tunnels Delete "a".  changed
  • (causing rainwater to flood the tunnels rapidly, and that the disruption started during a torrential downpour) Obliterate.  Fixed
  • disruption; Train Replace the semicolon with a period.  Fixed

Network and operations

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  • Per the Manual of Style, section headers should be sentence-case.  Fixed
  • 5.30am to around midnight daily. See the relevant bullet-point in "Lead".  Fixed
  • Selected trains from Marina South Pier station also terminates Should be "also terminate".  Fixed
  • [...] in the west side of Singapore, Just use the title of the article being linked here, like: [...] in the West Region,  Fixed
  • Why do some of the interchange notes in the list have citations while others don't?
    •  moved It seems like only the stations that were recently announced have the citations, I have moved them into prose.

Infrastructure

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  • manufactured from Kawasaki Heavy Industries, manufactured by  Done
  • with a joint venture with CSR Qingdao Sifang in a joint venture with  Done
  • Automatic train control [...] Automatic train operation [...] Automatic train protection Make these sentence-case
  • I'm not sure if Paragraph 3 of "Signalling" is necessary. No specifics about the signalling systems is given, aside from its being supplied by Westinghouse. Cut and combine it with Paragraph 1.
  • MRT trains were also progressively retrofitted with new equipment on board to be compatible with the new signalling system. No citation present.
  • "Platform screen doors" is WP:SANDWICH; delete the image on the left.  Done
  • only all underground One or the other.  Done
  • supplied by Westinghouse Brake and Signal Company Ltd the Westinghouse Brake and Signal Company  Done
  • (a member of the Knorr-Bremse Group) Irrelevant, delete.  Done
  • (better ventilation and air conditioning) Delete this too.  Done
  • The authorities initially Delete "the".
  • Nevertheless, the LTA reversed its decision with plans announced by the government to install half-height platform screen doors on the elevated stations on 25 January 2008 to enhance the safety of rail commuters and reduce the incidence of track intrusions. Condense, and delete everything after "25 January 2008"; it's redundant.
    •  Done Condensed
  • which were needed to be replaced Delete "were".  Done.
  • The new replacement sleepers Delete "new".  Done
  • Train services on the line were ended earlier for critical maintenance works since 2014 Reword. Done
  • Since 2014, train services on the line ended earlier for critical maintenance works have ended.  Fixed
  • powered by electricity by a third rail. Shorten; powered via a third rail  Done

Referencing

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  • What makes OpenStreetMap a reliable source here?
    • Personally, I prefer to use it over Google Maps as I find OSM easier to use than Google Maps, plus OSM can show the tracks and the tunnels more clearly than Google Maps. However, if you like me to I can add citations from Google Maps.--ZKang123 (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I prefer OSM, too; my issue with OSM was that it's user-made, but thinking on it now, no it isn't, because it's a map of the Earth. Still, it'd be nice to have credible, textual references like a rail guide published by the relevant authority or party to back up the map. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 19:19, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thing is, there aren't really sources or rail guides published by the relevant authorities or parties (many are rather brief). In a peer review, @Truflip99: suggested to include a prose for the route, and recommended using maps as sources as has been done for the MAX Orange Line. The prose, truthfully, is entirely written by myself (with some ce by Truflip99) with references to the map. It may sound like original research though...--ZKang123 (talk) 01:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia does not discourage the use of Google Maps or OSM as references. There is even a template for one of them. I personally don't believe there is anything trivial about using either source to describe a train route in particular because it is a de facto source of that information. All you're doing is describing the train route and its vicinity in written form as it appears on a map. I would agree with the reviewer that it would be good to back that up with official material from reliable primary and secondary sources. I don't think the MAX Orange Line article is an accurate representation of this, as it is not a complete article. I would suggest looking at MAX Red Line or Loop Service for how I did this. Also, I don't think it's fair to penalize the editor just because the LTA does a poor job at providing this basic information. --Truflip99 (talk) 02:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken the matter about the use of OSM and Google Maps to be closed, but what matters more is to find other official reliable resources to back the prose up. I am now doing such on the Internet now, but I cant guarantee it will be successful.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to strike off this section now. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 16:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just asking, can street directories published locally (such as streetdirectory.com) be used as sources as well?--ZKang123 (talk) 06:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Difficult question. After looking in to streetdirectory (and it's history of being sued for alleged copyright infringement) and at WP:RS, I'm leaning on "no", but I'm not an expert. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 14:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well there is another reliable local street directory called Mighty Minds, which uses satellite imagery, road survey, official sources and public feedback. There are no longer government issued-street directories anymore sadly, due to the low demand of physical street directories.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I think I have found an authoritative official government online map onemap released by SLA (Singapore Land Authority). Will that do?--ZKang123 (talk) 10:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA progress

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Pictures are relevant and free. Copyvio scanning gave a 57% likelihood of copyright violation; inspection revealed that the issue was a lengthy quotation from Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 12:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, is there any further updates needed for this article? Other outstanding issues to resolve?--ZKang123 (talk) 01:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Overhaul of stations list

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Seloloving, ZKang123, TheGreatSG'rean - for your consideration + input. I intend to apply this template to the other line articles in due time. Zoom out on your browser for a side-by-side comparison.

Old

Station Number Station Name Image Interchange/Notes
 NS1  EW24  JE5  Jurong East This station was upgraded with new platform and new track on 27 May 2011.[1]
Cross-Platform Interchange with the East West line
Interchange station with the Jurong Region line (2028)
 NS2  Bukit Batok
 NS3  Bukit Gombak
 NS3A  Brickland Future infill station (mid 2030s)
 NS4  BP1  JS1  Choa Chu Kang Interchange station with the Bukit Panjang LRT and the Jurong Region line (2027)
 NS5  Yew Tee  
 NS6  DT–  Sungei Kadut Future infill station.
Interchange station with the Downtown line (mid 2030s)
 NS7  Kranji  
 NS8  Marsiling  
 NS9  TE2  Woodlands Interchange station with the Thomson-East Coast line
 NS10  Admiralty
 NS11  Sembawang  
 NS12  Canberra Infill station, reduces congestion on both Yishun and Sembawang MRT Stations
 NS13  Yishun
 NS14  Khatib  
 NS15  Yio Chu Kang  
 NS16  CR11  Ang Mo Kio Interchange station with the Cross Island line (2030)
 NS17  CC15  Bishan This station was upgraded since 2007 and was split into two side platforms between 27 July 2008 and 23 May 2009.
Interchange station with the Circle line
 NS18  Braddell
 NS19  Toa Payoh  
 NS20  Novena  
 NS21 – DT11  Newton Connected to the Downtown line
 NS22  TE14  Orchard Interchange station with the Thomson-East Coast line (2022)
 NS23  Somerset
 NS24  NE6  CC1  Dhoby Ghaut Interchange station with the North East and Circle lines.
 NS25  EW13  City Hall Cross-Platform Interchange with the East West line
 NS26  EW14  Raffles Place Cross-Platform Interchange with the East West line
 NS27  CE2  TE20  Marina Bay Interchange station with the Circle line and the Thomson-East Coast line (2022)
 NS28  Marina South Pier

New
Legend

Elevated station Wheelchair accessible Cross-platform transfer Bus interchange
Ground-level station Bicycle facilities Separate platform transfer    
Other transportation
Underground station Civil Defence Shelter Transfer outside paid area

List

Station code Station name Images Interchange;
Adjacent transportation 		Opening

 NS1  EW24  JE5 

 		 Jurong East  East West Line 
 Jurong Region Line 
(2028)
―
 Jurong East
5 November 1988;
36 years ago
 NS2 

 		 Bukit Batok  Bukit Batok
10 March 1990;
34 years ago
 NS3 

 		 Bukit Gombak —
 NS3A 
Brickland[note 1] Does not appear
mid-2030s
 NS4  BP1  JS1 

 		 Choa Chu Kang  Bukit Panjang LRT 
 Jurong Region Line 
(2027)
―
 Choa Chu Kang
10 March 1990;
34 years ago
 NS5 

 		 Yew Tee —
10 February 1996;
28 years ago
 NS6  DT– 
Sungei Kadut[note 2] Does not appear Downtown Line
(mid-2030s)
mid-2030s
 NS7 

 		 Kranji —
10 February 1996;
28 years ago
 NS8 

 		 Marsiling
 NS9  TE2 
 
 		 Woodlands  Thomson-East Coast Line 
―
 Woodlands
 NS10 

 		 Admiralty —
 NS11 

 		 Sembawang  Sembawang
 NS12 

 		 Canberra —
2 November 2019;
5 years ago
 NS13 

 		 Yishun  Yishun
20 December 1988;
35 years ago
 NS14 

 		 Khatib —
 NS15 

 		 Yio Chu Kang  Yio Chu Kang
7 November 1987;
37 years ago
 NS16  CR11 

 		 Ang Mo Kio  Cross Island Line 
(2030)
―
 Ang Mo Kio
 NS17  CC15 
 
 		 Bishan  Circle Line 
―
 Bishan
 NS18 
 
 Braddell —
 NS19 

Toa Payoh  Toa Payoh
 NS20 

Novena —
12 December 1987;
36 years ago
 NS21 – DT11 
 
 		 Newton  Downtown Line 
 NS22  TE14 

Orchard  Thomson-East Coast Line 
(2022)
 NS23 
 
 		 Somerset —
 NS24  NE6  CC1 

 		 Dhoby Ghaut  North East Line 
 Circle Line 
 NS25  EW13 
 
 City Hall  East West Line 
 NS26  EW14 
 
  		Raffles Place  East West Line 
 NS27  CE2  TE20 
 
  		Marina Bay  Circle Line 
 Thomson-East Coast Line 
(2022)
4 November 1989;
35 years ago

 NS28 

 		 Marina South Pier  Marina South Pier
 Marina Bay Cruise Centre
23 November 2014;
10 years ago

Cheers, Tiger7253 (talk) 08:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can see what you are trying to do. But Im a bit ambivalent. Because it may contravene WP:NOTGUIDE, and there's like certain limits on what we can input. I will ask others for input, maybe like Epicgenius.--ZKang123 (talk) 08:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ZKang123 I've tried to limit the glyphs to encyclopaedically relevant information - station's topography (elevated/at-grade/subterranean), interchange type, presence of SCDF shelter, accessibility (also present in London Underground articles), and linked transportation modes. Other glyphs like lifts, bathrooms etc would unambiguously infringe notguide. The glyph that represents bicycle racks is grey area though so I'll leave that one up to the rest of you. Tiger7253 (talk) 09:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, except for paid-transfer, wheelchair accessibility and bus/other transport interchange information, I haven't really seen the other types of info being displayed on rapid-transit station listings. Underground/at-grade/elevated info may be questionable, since the location of the station in relation to the ground is part of the description of the station, but at the same time it could be a bit trivial. Listing whether a transfer is a cross-platform interchange or a separate-platform interchange would almost definitely violate NOTGUIDE; it should be sufficient to say whether a transfer is in a paid area, or whether the transfer requires leaving the system and then reentering. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Epicgenius Thanks for your input. I'll wait for the others to chime in. I'd like to retain the glyphs that denote the stations' roles as civil bomb shelters because I believe a summary of this information on station listings has encyclopaedic value in the context of Wikiproject Singapore. A great number of underground stations (but not all) are effectively purpose-built bunkers moonlighting as train stations with reinforced concrete station boxes buried deeper underground than non-bunker stations, steel blast doors, and other emergency paraphernalia quite conspicious to passengers passing through these stations. This info may be absent in other rapid transit articles but it's a quirk unique to Singapore's transportation system. There is of course the Moscow Metro's bunker system but that is a Soviet-era anachronism, unlike the Singapore MRT's bunker system which is very much an active, highly-publicised scheme with several planned for the newer lines opening decades from now. To the best of my knowledge the level of emphasis that is placed on the dual role of train stations in Singapore is absent in other jurisdictions. Tiger7253 (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot to mention that I'm actually fine with listing whether a station is a CD shelter. ZKang123 told me offwiki that apparently this is pretty common in Singapore, so this is also potentially useful information. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tiger7253 In my opinion, only the connection information, paid/unpaid transfers and CD shelter glyphs should be retained. The nature of the interchanges (that is, whether it is cross-platform or otherwise), and the presence of bicycle racks violates NOTGUIDE, and the nature of the stations and wheelchair accessibility are relatively trivial. Information regarding future infill stations should also be included with the interchange information (in a "Notes" section) rather than added as separate notes. R22-3877 (talk) 09:09, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
R22-3877 Thanks for your input. I'm willing to make the changes, but I'm curious as to why elucidating on the nature of interchange stations infringes NOTGUIDE when done in station listings but not on individual station pages (see Bayfront, City Hall, Raffles Place). It only seems logical to enforce a blanket ban across all rapid transit articles if it's a true violation, otherwise it's quite arbitrarily enforced. Tiger7253 (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tiger7253 On the individual station pages, the presence of a cross-platform interchange is (or should be) written as part of a section on the station's design, while on the station listings, the nature of the interchange station is stated independently, in a manner that would be more befitting of a guide on how to use the MRT rather than an encyclopedia. Given that, most of the content regarding the nature of interchange stations in the individual station articles would probably need to be rewritten (they currently just state that the stations are one of a few in the MRT system to have cross-platform interchanges). R22-3877 (talk) 02:06, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
R22-3877 The changes are now live on North South Line and will be replicated across the board pending final consensus from everyone. I took some inspiration from the HK MTR articles and added colour boxes next to interchange lines (see Tseung Kwan O line's station list). Tiger7253 (talk) 13:00, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "The Jurong East Modification Project (JEMP)". Archived from the original on 27 May 2011.

Notes

  1. ^ Infill station
  2. ^ Infill station

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