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GA Review

Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk) 07:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will review. Pyrotec (talk) 07:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments

In general this article appears to be at our about GA-level, but I'm going to work my way through the article in more detail. I will start with the History section, work my way to the end and then go back to look at the Lead. Pyrotec (talk) 14:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

History -
- Vestfoldfly & Norsk Flytjeneste -

These two subsections look OK. I made some minor changes to the grammar as I carried out the review.

- Norsk Air -

* Looks OK.

- Widerøe Norsk Air -

The first sentence states: ...Chief Executive Officer Bjørn Bettum and Chairman Otto Grieg Tidemand were fired, by who? In the previous but one subsection it states that Kosmos was a conglomerate, but its management structure was not commented on?

I've tried to explain that it was the consequence of the Skaugen purchase. Kosmos was Anders Jahre's company, but he died in 1982 and I don't know who owned it in 1985. I do not want to dwell too much about the internal affairs of Kosmos, as an interested reader can click on the link. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who or what is Røsjodet? He/she/it appears only once (as far as I can see) in this article, in the sentence ....Røsjodet made contact with Bård Mikkelsen, who was CEO of Widerøe .....

Explained. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the second paragraph, its not clear who the board refers to. It could be the board of The Skaugen Group or Norsk Air - later Widerøe Norsk Air is described as a subsidiary of Widerøe, so Norsk Air could have had a board prior to the sale.

Explained. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Destinations -

Looks OK.

WP:Lead -

This is required to both introduce the topic of the article and summarise the main points in the article (see WP:Lead for full details) and it seems to make a reasonable attempt to do so.
Comments:

Some details are given about status, i.e. company, subsidiary, but not all details. For instance no mention of the change (in English) from sole propriatoriship to limited company.

I did not regard the transition from a sole proprietorship to a limited company to be important enough for the lead, but if differ in opinion I have no problem adding it. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It states: ...Vestfoldfly....changed its name to Norsk Flytjeneste. Not quite, according to the article, Vestfoldfly demerged into Den Norske Luftfartsskole and Norsk Flytjeneste.

Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The lead identifies the company as a Norwegian airline, which it is and it states that it was based at Sandefjord Airport, Torp (the infobox states that was its hub) - again this is fine, but there is no detail of where it flew to. I would summarise its flights as mostly internal destinations hub to places such as Stavanger, Bergan and Oslo, but there were at one time some international flights to UK, Denmark and charters to Bangladesh.

I've added this information. Changed the infobox a bit to include both Kosmos and Widerøe, and also changed from hub to operating base, which is more correct. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Aircraft are named, but no indication of their passenger-carrying capabilities: at various times 10-seater, perhaps 20 to 30-seater, perhaps 40 to 50-seater aircraft were operated.

Good idea. I've been interested in aircraft since I was a child so I don't think that some people might not know what a DC-6 or King Air is. I'll keep this in mind for later articles, too. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No indication of the size of the company (that's sometimes true of the article as well). All we know is that at one period it had 140-160 employees and had 150,000 annual passengers.

Added to the lead. Sources aren't very good with these types of numbers. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Soures -

This is mostly a single-source article Høyt spill om Torp, but there are some (three) newspaper articles from Aftenposten, one news agency citation and one company citation. I assume that this is all the information that is publicly available on this topic?

Those are the sources that I have found and are relevant. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article is essentially at GA-level, so I'm going to put the review On Hold so that these points can be considered/addressed. Pyrotec (talk) 19:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review. All issues have been seen to. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, yes those changes have improved the overall clarity of the article. Pyrotec (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Overall summary

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

I'm happy to be able to award this article GA-status. Congratulations on producing another Norwegian GA. Pyrotec (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]