Talk:Nine-dart finish

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Did you know... that the first televised nine dart finish was achieved at the World Matchplay championship in 1984 by John Lowe?

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Fallon Sherrock

I don't know enough about darts to feel qualified to edit this page, but if there's any past editor watching the women's section needs updated https://www.skysports.com/darts/news/12288/12837134/fallon-sherrock-hits-first-nine-darter-by-a-woman-on-pdc-tour — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.244.100.102 (talk) 20:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Live Streaming

Does the list of televised 9 dart finishes include 9 dart finishes that happened in tournaments that were streamed live? by (Perfectamundo (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)perfectamundo)[reply]

No. -Koppapa (talk) 21:38, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

Just wanted to say a big thanks to whoever dug out the videos of those 9-darters! Good work.

- You're welcome! Seedybob2 08:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about 3xT20, 3xT19, 3xBull?!? Wouldn't this be the hardest/most perfect ever?78.146.124.77 (talk) 12:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is seemingly conflicting information in this article; a) The first televised nine dart finish was achieved at the World Matchplay championship on October 13, 1984 by John Lowe. b) Phil Taylor ... August 1, 2002 ... It was the first live-televised nine-dart finish on British television. c) Contrary to popular belief, Shaun Greatbatch hit the first ever nine-dart finish during a live televised darts match ... which was broadcasted on Dutch television

a) and b) could both be correct if the distinction is that a) was the first to be recorded and shown on television and b) was the first shown live. c) is presumably incorrect or meant to be specific to the Netherlands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.136.212 (talk) 09:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weasel Words Cleanup

I have begun removing weasel words in the category Methods of Achievement but further work is neccessary. Any help is appreciated. ozkidzez91 (talk) 10:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea. To me, this section looks like original research - there are no sources given for any of it. It may be correct, but if it hasn't been published anywhere... --hippo43 (talk) 00:39, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

T20, T19, Bull (X3).

I vaguely recall a televised interview where Bobby George claimed to have 'invented' this method of checking out in 9. Does anyone else remember this? I can't find a reference.--Ykraps (talk) 08:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone ever done this 9-darter? AMCKen (talk) 19:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

non-TV darters

It should be noted that those 9-darters happen often in training by many professionals. i think taylor said once he hits them on a daily basis. big non-televised floor tournaments often have them too. they are "rarer" on tv because there are not that much tv-tournaments, especially 10 years ago. -Koppapa (talk) 06:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Game not sport

I think that we should call dart a game, not a sport. For starters, it is not recognized as an olympic sport. It is also called a game in the darts page. Should it be changed? If we get consensus, then I will change it. RileyBugz^{Yell at me} | _Edits 21:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Alan Norris 9-darter

I disagree that the Alan Norris 9-darter in the 2016 Players Championship Finals should be included in a list of televised nine darters. What makes the others on the list notable is that they were broadcast as a part of matches that were being televised in their entirety. The Norris 9 is the only one that was televised only as a 'highlight' of a match which couldn't be seen otherwise. I believe that the list should only include 9-darters that were a part of televised matches.

It seems to me that including the Norris 9 would also mandate that a 9-darter, even if completed in practice or in a local tournament, would merit inclusion in the list simply by virtue of having been filmed and later shown on TV. If a streamed 9-dart finish from a PDC floor event (e.g. MvG's on the Euro Tour earlier this year) was later rebroadcast on TV as a highlight of that tournament, would it be included in this list?

Ochepedia (talk) 02:07, 24 November 2018 (UTC)ochepedia[reply]

Yeah, it probably shouldn't be in here. -Koppapa (talk) 11:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll remove it if no one objects. -Ochepedia (talk) 19:50, 03 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Women's nine-darters - strange date

in section "Women's nine-darters", please change the date of 31 November 1995 in the second sentence :-) I don't know when that tournament took place, some dart fan will surely be able to contribute the right date. --BernieM (talk) 15:08, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bullseye & double

"A single game of darts (known as a leg) requires a player to score exactly 501 points, ending with either the bullseye or a double." - the bullseye is a double, isn't it? --KnightMove (talk) 07:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The inner bullseye (worth 50 pints) counts as a double, yes. Whether it actually is a double is debatable. In any event, I don't think any of this is particularly well known outside darting circles so I think the sentence is better left as it is. --Ykraps (talk) 08:05, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MODUS Super Series Nine-Darters

I see multiple sources where they consider the MODUS Super Series Nine-Darters as televised nines; none of them are considered for this article.

The MODUS Super Series event is broadcast on television through Sporty Stuff TV, but would this be eligible for the criteria as, according to Mastercaller, all the MODUS nine-darters are not considered televised nines but instead streamed ones? Should these nine-darters be added as well? or do they not fit the actual criteria for a televised nine?

These nines would add Conor Heneghan, Darryl Pilgrim, Steve West, Fallon Sherrock, etc.

Kind regards, GalacticalCosmics (talk) 16:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't consider it televised. Some nines that were in fact in TV, are not considered televised, even those that were on stage, like Chisnall on Belgian Darts Open 2022. Since always televised nines were those on big stage and bigger channels.

Sky claims and will claim her nine is televised, only because she's their mascot. But I wouldn't introduce inconsistency here just because of them. Haifisch7734 (talk) 06:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If reliable sources say it was on television, we go with the reliable sources. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But it wasn't on television!

It may be 'visually recorded' - but that isn't 'television'. Woodlandscaley (talk) 14:53, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was on television. It aired on television. You could watch it happen LIVE on television if you turned your television on with your television remote. Sporty Stuff TV is as much a television channel as Sky Sports or ITV. Maybe we should rename the section to nine-darters in majors (although lest we invite debate about what that means)? DanTheStripe (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, i'd agree. SHerrock should be in. All the news repeat she has "first televised". -Koppapa (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with news is that they are biased because it was Fallon Sherrock. I didn't see anything about other Modus nines that those are televised. We want to be consistent or not? Haifisch7734 (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is original research on your behalf. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:39, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So we agree also on counting other nine darters? Heneghan's? Chisnall's? Haifisch7734 (talk) 16:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with the argument as it was televised on Sporty Stuff TV is that some PDC events on the European Tour are televised but are considered streamed events while some are only broadcasted by their own PDC TV.

Furthermore, you can't rename the section to only majors because you have Phil Taylor's nine-darter from the Sydney Darts Masters, which is a World Series event, not a major, but still televised.

In relation to Fallon Sherrock being added, I see no problem whatsoever. The problem I have is the unfair and inconsistent choices, which would then need to include all the other nine-darters, which were from MODUS and televised by Sporty Stuff TV, for example, Heneghan, Pilgrim, West, etc.

Kind regards, GalacticalCosmics (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So, we include those too. We can't pick and choose which televised nine-darters to include just because they aren't the highest standard darting corporation or because they're not on Sky or whatever. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy with the addition of all MODUS Super Series nine-darters.

This would mean the inclusion of the following nine-darters:

Before adding these, just ask if that is alright for everyone in this discussion.

Kind regards, GalacticalCosmics (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As long as they are all properly sourced to non-primary sources. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that seems a fair compromise.

The fawning and selective cherry-picking over Fallon Sherrock was completely inconsistent.

As I declared in my edit reverts, it should be either ALL of the 9-darters in this event - or none at all. Woodlandscaley (talk) 22:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So add them then! Nobody is stopping you! All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why haven’t you added Chisnall’s though? Not only was it televised, it was actually during a live broadcast. T v x1 18:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was broadcast on PDC TV and was not really classified on television. Modus, for example, is televised on Sporty Stuff TV and is not considered a broadcast but rather a television channel, which is eligible to count per this talk page. If it is proven otherwise, feel free to add to the nine darters yourself, plus not all the Modus ones were added solely based on trying to find a source for them; therefore, I added the ones that I could.

Kind regards, GalacticalCosmics (talk) 23:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You do know that the UK isn’t the only country in the world, don’t you? It wasn’t only broadcast on PDC TV. The entire tournament was broadcast live by Belgium’s premier dutch language commercial TV broadcaster. Not even on pay TV, but on free-to air TV. I watched every single dart of that tournament, including the nine dart finish, live on Belgian television. T v x1 11:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prize money

Please clarify the paragraph in the Prize money section.

"In 2019, a special prize of £100,000 was available to any player who hits two nine-dart finishes at the PDC World Championships, a feat which has never previously been achieved at any World Championship. As such, it didn't happen, and by the end of 2019, all prize money for nine-dart finishes were withdrawn, owing to the ever increasing prize fund for tournaments."

Is it only the PDC that withdrew the prize money for a nine dart finish? (Fran Bosh (talk) 23:50, 3 January 2024 (UTC))[reply]

I think that paragprah is outright wrong. I'm pretty certain the two Nine-darters prize still exists at the PDC World Darts Championship. Something with £50k for the player and £50k for a random fan. No idea whether other governing bodies, like the WDF, award prize money. T v x1 00:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Televised nine darters

I noticed that there is still no proper understanding by some editors of what a televised match actually means. Some people also keep judging whether a nine-dart finish was televised by only looking at whether said nine-darter was televised on UK television. The UK isn't the only country in the world broadcasting darts on TV and indeed some of the listed finished were only televised on Dutch TV. There is also a false practice being applied by making one blanket judgment for all Euro tour events. Just because one event is only streamed on PDC TV, that doesn't mean that it applies to each and every one of them. The Belgian Darts Open for one has always been broadcast live in full by VTM on their VTM2 tv Channel. VTM is Belgium's most important Dutch language commercial broadcaster, not some local TV station, akin to the UK's ITV. They provided that tournament with a full broadcast production including pundits and commentators on the site and on floor interviewers. And it's apparently also broadcast on ViaPlay in the Netherlands. Claiming that those nine-dart finishes weren't televised is quite simply insane! T v x1 15:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Randall00, @GalacticalCosmics, @Koppapa, @ItsKesha, @Haifisch7734, @Woodlandscaley JamesVilla44 (talk) 16:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point to the discussion on Talk:High dart average, where the consensus was that they would not be counted as televised and therefore those European tour high averages and nine darters that were counted previously were then removed from being counted under televised nine darters and high averages. JamesVilla44 (talk) 16:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And that’s the core issue. There should not be a “general claim” that these are all televised or not. Just because one event is only streamed, that doesn’t mean another was as well. Likewise, one event being televised doesn’t mean they automatically all are. We should do our proper editorial duty and verify the situation with reliable sources. Just like we did with Modus Super Series above. And some people really need to understand that the UK is not the only country in the world with television. It’s really beyond me why some people keep falsely claiming that these particular nine-darters discussed here weren’t televised.T v x1 11:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stop removing these nine-darters?! If you believe that there are other missing such finishes for which you have clear evidence that they were televised, you can add them with proper sourcing or list them in the discussion here, where we can then all verify together whether they were televised or not. But please stop applying this all or nothing approach. Just because a current tournament on the Euro tour is televised, that doesn't mean that automatically all Euro tour events were televised say ten years ago. The world just doesn't work like that.T v x1 13:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a list of European tour nine darters on PDC European Tour, among them are ones hit by Luke Humphries and Ross Smith this year. JamesVilla44 (talk) 14:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stop you destructive attitude of constantly removing these nine-darters with the most ridiculous of excuses? Calling WP:DUE into this is slippery slope that we should not head into. Whether a particular nine-dart finish is due is an extremely subjective matter. One could easily argue that including the MODUS Super Series ones also gives them undue weight. Let's stick to simple verifiable facts which we can verify and take a constructive approach by checking whether we should add any other Euro Tour nine-darter. So here is the list:

Player	Year (+ Round)	Opponent
Michael Smith	2012 Austrian Darts Open, 1st Round	Jamie Caven
Simon Whitlock	2012 Austrian Darts Open, 2nd Round	Joe Cullen
Colin Lloyd	2012 German Darts Championship, 1st Round	Alex Roy
Mark Webster	2012 German Darts Masters, 1st Round	Andree Welge
Ian White	2012 German Darts Masters, 3rd Round	Andy Hamilton
Ross Smith	2013 Gibraltar Darts Trophy, 2nd Round	Adrian Lewis
Michael van Gerwen	2018 European Darts Matchplay, 2nd Round	Ryan Joyce
Michael van Gerwen	2019 European Darts Open, Semi-Final	Mensur Suljović
James Wade	2019 German Darts Championship, 3rd Round	Darren Webster
Steve Beaton	2019 German Darts Open, 1st Round	Kirk Shepherd
Gerwyn Price	2019 Czech Darts Open, 2nd Round	Glen Durrant
Dave Chisnall	2019 Gibraltar Darts Trophy, Quarter-Final	James Wade
Dave Chisnall	2022 Belgian Darts Open, Semi-Final	Danny Noppert
Luke Humphries	2023 Hungarian Darts Trophy, Final	Dave Chisnall
Scott Waites	2023 German Darts Championship, 1st Round	George Killington
Luke Littler	2024 Belgian Darts Open, Final	Rob Cross
Luke Humphries	2024 Baltic Sea Darts Open, Final	Rob Cross
Ross Smith	2024 Dutch Darts Championship, 2nd Round	Dimitri Van den Bergh

Anyone have any information of the televised status of the ones apart from the Belgian Darts Open ones?T v x1 18:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.youtube.com/live/o6AGAas6y6o?si=yGk5RmNYXz7EG9jR Baltic Sea Darts Open was streamed on YouTube JamesVilla44 (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Professional Darts Players Association (PDPA) website lists all the PDC nine-darters - this should be an accurate and reliable source. https://pdpa.co.uk/9-dart-club/

Numbers from that list are used here:

Michael Smith 2012 Austrian Darts Open, 1st Round - 100 - Not televised

Simon Whitlock 2012 Austrian Darts Open, 2nd Round - 101 - Not televised

Colin Lloyd 2012 German Darts Championship, 1st Round - 105 - Not televised

Mark Webster 2012 German Darts Masters, 1st Round - 108 - Not televised

Ian White 2012 German Darts Masters, 3rd Round - 109 - Not televised

Ross Smith 2013 Gibraltar Darts Trophy, 2nd Round - 127 - Streamed

Michael van Gerwen 2018 European Darts Matchplay, 2nd Round - 254 - Streamed

Michael van Gerwen 2019 European Darts Open, Semi-Final - 281 - Not televised

James Wade 2019 German Darts Championship, 3rd Round - 282 - Not televised

Steve Beaton 2019 German Darts Open, 1st Round - 286 - Streamed

Gerwyn Price 2019 Czech Darts Open, 2nd Round - 294 - Streamed

Dave Chisnall 2019 Gibraltar Darts Trophy, Quarter-Final - 306 - Streamed

Dave Chisnall 2022 Belgian Darts Open, Semi-Final - 418 - Streamed

Luke Humphries 2023 Hungarian Darts Trophy, Final - 453 - Streamed

Scott Waites 2023 German Darts Championship, 1st Round - 457 - Streamed

Luke Littler 2024 Belgian Darts Open, Final - 477 - Streamed

Luke Humphries 2024 Baltic Sea Darts Open, Final - 487 - Streamed

Ross Smith 2024 Dutch Darts Championship, 2nd Round - 489 - Streamed Woodlandscaley (talk) 18:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

per that we should include none of the European tour nine darters as televised JamesVilla44 (talk) 17:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally think a separate article "List of PDC nine-dart finishes" would suffice. This argument over televised/non-televised is nonsense when channels nobody has ever heard of count as televised but games streamed across the internet don't count? The way media is accessed has changed dramatically since the days of John Lowe, television is a completely different creature. And any other nine-dart finish that is notable can be mentioned in prose in this article. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 22:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support the idea of a List of PDC nine dart finishes article JamesVilla44 (talk) 16:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Chisnall's nine-darter at the Belgian Darts Open 2022 could also be seen live on German free TV, on Sport1. But Sport1 broadcasts only a few tournaments on the European Tour, and even these are not always complete. Sometimes football is more important to them, then you can only see darts live on their website.

I think it's important that the tournament was planned as a TV tournament from the beginning. The European Tour was not. It was only when darts became more popular that it was decided to show European Tour tournaments on television. But that doesn't mean it is considered a "TV tournament". It would also be strange if some nine-darters counted from a tournament series and others didn't, depending on whether exactly that tournament happened to be on TV somewhere or not. But that's just my theory.

I don't know anything about the Modus Super Series. For the German website dartn.de, nine-darters thrown there do not count as TV nine-darters (https://www.dartn.de/TV-9-Darter). --Jarlhelm (talk) 13:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC) Translated by Microsoft Translater.[reply]

Deciding what does and doesn't count as televised

Hi all. This is the first time I've written on a talk page so hopeful you can see this well. Here is what I have done what my most recent edits. After I saw the announcement from the Modus Super Series that they were partnering with Pluto TV and making it clear that they were "back on TV" (see: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1287328912274547) it became clear to me that the period between the end of Sporty Stuff TV until the partnership with Pluto TV is one we shouldn't be considering televised, something I long suspected. As a result, I have removed the nine-darters in that time span and also James Richardson's Online Darts Live League 9-darter as that occurred before the Sporty Stuff TV deal. I also added a 9-darter from the Sporty Stuff TV era by Andreas Harrysson as that wasn't added previously. In addition, I added a broadcast column similar to High dart average page to make it clear that these 9-darter were televised.

Ideally, that section should be a list of all the 9-darters across all organizations, sorted by date and an overview explaining that and sourcing those organizations. I haven't found anything for BDO, WDF or Modus (which if they do exist should differentiate between non-streamed, streamed and televised). The PDC have two candidates one from PDPA (see: https://pdpa.co.uk/9-dart-club/) and one on the PDC website itself (see: https://www.pdc.tv/players/pdc-nine-dart-club) though frustratingly there both slightly different, as the PDC shows the 9-darters on 2024 Euro Tour as televised but no the rest of the year. PDPA also count Alan Norris 9-darter from 2016 Players Championship Finals, which I have re-added because if we are going to count stage two 9-darters from UK Open, we should really do the same from the other Minehead major.

Knowing the internet, there will be people who disagree fundamentally with a lot of this, but I think this is the best honour answer to the question: How many televised 9-darters have there been? The answer I think as I write this: 94. GreatestTitan (talk) 07:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]