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Size

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Valuev's great stature and weight is probably due to Acromegalic gigantism.

Notice his very rough and defined brow ridge, cheekbones, and fissured skin on the scalp. All of these symptoms are consistent with Acromegaly.

If that were so would it not be very dangerous for him to box? since i believe gigantism is caused by a pituitary disorder in the brain.

Was it dangerous for Goliath as a champion soldier?

To answer your question: with acromegaly he could have potential heart problems, joint problems, diabetes, and internal organ complications in the future. Men like him traditionally don't live beyond their 50's. Still, while he is strong and young, he could have several years of good boxing left in him.

  • For the record, the oldest giant I am aware of was the 7 ft 8 inch, 365 lb, Johann Petursson of Iceland. He lived to the ripe old age of 72 years.

Reply: A height of 7'2" does not in and of itself indicate any sort of medical abnormality, it's not even that unusual in Montenegro and (according to my hairdresser) parts of Russia. I never thought that I'd play "the tall card" but I'm 6'9" and I've got a bit of a problem with your baseless speculation that Valuev is deformed. Very tall men and women tend to have more testosterone (which influences many aspects of growth), stretch mark scars and eyes that appear to be abnormally small relative to other facial features. Other unusual aspects of his appearance could easily be explained by his decade long boxing career.

As for your Goliath question, the Dead Sea Scrolls have recently revealed that contemporary claims about his height are greatly exaggerated, he was only 6'7".

Reply: OH MY GOD, WHAT A MORON!!! You can clearly see from his facial appearance that he has some form of Gigantism. It never ceases to amaze me on the Internet how many people you come across who seem to be able to write coherently yet are completely idiotic in other areas, as though parts of the brain are damaged whilst others are still functional. How the hell can you explain his backwards sloping forehead with boxing? Have you even bothered to look at pictures of those with Acromegaly before calling someone's statement baseless? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.201.234 (talk) 09:42, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: I have to sign these things don't I

Dude, he could be like 6'3 2000 years ago and still count as a giant. Human height has increased very, very rapidly, far more rapidly than any evolutionary process. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.73.188 (talk) 04:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aussie Jim 03:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: You should also take into account the fact that Earth's population is slowly increasing in height. Therefore, in regards to old stories, their frame of reference was a much lower average height. See the wikipedia article on Human Height for more info.

Konstantin3307 12:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These things don't matter. No original research. kooo (talk) 23:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this is not a forum. Only discusion wrt. improving article here plz.1812ahill (talk) 00:37, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He's currently sidelined with 'severe joint problems' so Acromegaly seems pretty likely. Not to mention his face looks it. Height notwithstanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.241.181 (talk) 15:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Valuev is 7 feet 2

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I've read that he is actually 7 feet 2 inches.

[might be including his shoes though]

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the story is that his promoter claims it would be too hard to get him fights if they were honest about his height, and claims he is actually closer to 7'3

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Promoters claim a lot of things :-) Don't be silly. All entries in other languages (including Russian) list 213 cm.

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He´s exactly 7ft 0in (213 cm). Not just according to Boxrec. So we should change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.59.17.197 (talk) 15:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Childish behaviour by some editors

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Who deleted all his biography and pre-professional career details I added before? I re-read the article yesterday and now it's full of pro-American, anti-Valuev, russophobe garbage like saying his win over Ruiz was "Controversial" and also my addition in trivia about that he never lost in his carreer and was never nocked down is also gone! Grow up you morons! You are just jelous of Kolya's success! Also the Pan-Asian title is NOT "Lowly regarded"! 

                                              Sergei

Ok, but, first of all, whoever you are, do not call people morons, we may mistakes some time, by accident and do not mean to make mistakes. Remember that I corrected a lot of things here, ruiz fight is generally accepted as controversial. Also I do not like when people attack Valuev, he has good heart, soul and all, but he is not that great. Boxingwear

Just don't want to get into editing wars...

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I agree offcourse... I just don't want to get into pointless editing wars, that's all: those can be VERY long and VERY annoying! As far as Valuev not being a good boxer: the guy is UNDEFEATED, 46-0; is on his way to beat Rocky Marciano's 49-0 record; hasn't yet been even nocked down, let alone nocked out; won the WBA Heavyweight Championship, defended it 4 times, winning all for by either a KO, or a TKO; is going to defend the championship a 5th time against Chagaev, hopefully will win, no I'm sure he'll win; and he even wrote a book of his own. What else does he have to do and accomplish to prove to you that he IS a good boxer?! 

                                                     Sergei

What is his ethnicity? Is he Slavic Russian or is he Tatar? I read somewhere he was Tatar? Is this true?

He's 1/4 Tatar, 3/4 Slavic Russian. 

                                   Sergei

Well Sergei, he is of tatar origins, that means he is somewhat asian. That's where he gets his strong head bones from (i think). Russian is Slavic and vice versa.

He's 1/4 Tatar and 3/4 Russian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.160.46 (talk) 12:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marciano's record

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The opening para mentions Marciano's 49-0 record but surely talk about that is irrelevant until Valuev holds the undisputed heavyweight crown? --LiamE 20:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well that doesn't really matter now does it? --LiamE 22:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does not matter, but keep in mind, he was 46-0, not 49-0. Assuming he survived this fight, he could have been 49-0 in 6 months. Within one year he could have taken on 3 easy opponents before fighting anybody of importance. 50-0 was no problem.

Interesting trivia: The fight started on 4/14, finished on 4/15. I keep on wondering. If Valuev was 46-0-1 today, 50-0 was just around the corner. (User talk:Foremanfan)

Fight against Ruiz and title match against Chagaev

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It says in the article,

"His next fight will be against John Ruiz, whom he defeated to take the WBA title. The winner will face Chagaev in Brazil, Rio de Janeiro, on 5th December 2007."

I never did see either of these matches. What happened, did he win? --24.87.7.43 (talk) 23:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know who wrote that part, but he is ACTUALLY, going to face Sergei Liakhovich for the #1 Contendership. It is going to go down in January, 2008.--24.87.7.43 (talk) 07:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the opening paragraph, it says that he has notable wins over... Chagaev. When was this as it is not in his record (other than a loss)? Thanks. 92.25.78.182 (talk) 21:06, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not second largest fighter in combat sports

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He is surpassed by Hong Man Choi AND Bob Sapp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.123.162 (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope: Sapp is only 6'5". Nikolai is 7'1". --User:142.33.185.2. 00:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SergeiXXX (talk • contribs)

cleaned up some language

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I edited a section about his rematch with the guy who beat him because it sounded unproffessional and not like an encyclopedia. Iremoved the phrase "get his revenge", and made it a little more professional —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.55.186 (talk) 01:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Much of the language in the main entry is horribly ungrammatical, as well as unprofessional. I don't know if it is idiomatic and translational, but it doesn't matter since this is an English language entry. --giggle 17:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregory.george.lewis (talk • contribs)

Chagaev-Valuev II

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I do believe, the rematch has been postponed. Chagaev has picked a virul infection. GoodDay (talk) 19:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Valuev is champ again!!!

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He won against Ruiz. Again.--SergeiXXX (talk) 20:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To the assholes vandalizing the article.

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I get my hands on you, you are dead.--SergeiXXX (talk) 21:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please, watch your language. And don't threaten people. kooo (talk) 23:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with you Sergei. I think US Chimps are jealous about Valuev. Axxn (talk) 10:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They're all dead with a pipe to the head lol 99.236.221.124 (talk) 21:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This whole article reads as if it was written by Borat.--giggle 17:22, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Where are the pics?

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This guy is huge right? But no pictures on his wiki page showing how tall/big he is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.142.166 (talk) 03:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trust me, you don't want a photo...ugly mug. I am kind of curious, though, as to what this beast weighs. All I've found is '300+ pounds'. What does that mean? 305? 395? Anyone got a more exact number? Nonpoint74 (talk) 23:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- The Russian Wiki page has a photo, can't the english page just share that one? 72.91.150.245 (talk) 14:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David Haye?

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Someone had edited this to say he had lost to David Haye. They haven't fought yet so I've removed this. 212.240.242.82 (talk) 11:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nickname

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Which is the most well used nickname, I think it is The beast from the East. I suggest citeing that one in the infobox and removing the rest, the others can be replaced to the body of the article, if anyone feels they are worthy of replacing or well known enough. Presently they are all uncited and all in the infobox. Off2riorob (talk) 15:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a good cite from the times it says...The Briton realised his childhood dream when he beat the ‘Beast from the East’ to lift the world heavyweight crown. Off2riorob (talk) 15:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I will be bold and make the change. 21:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

HEIGHT CLARITY

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Valuev is definitely not 7 feet and 2 inches tall ! he never has been ! even the other language wiki entries haven't listed him as such. boxrec as source cannot be used as it is a clearly overstated and inflated height which they give! even the highest numbers i could find from more trusted sources that actually deal with these kind of things have him at no more than 7 feet flat at the most! celebheights.com even has him at 6'11. barefooted that is, which is the correct form of measurement taken by official sports committees. celebheights.com has a credible record of dealing with people`s heights (as the name implies) they are discussing that topic and they base their assessments on picture comparisons etc. they even have members that are active/run the site that take pictures with celebrities to assess them for comparison sakes. they also take things into account like footwear and the natural height differences caused by injuries, aging process and morning-evening time differences (never knew that before until i discovered the site, but it is indeed true that over the course of the day a human being actually shrinks up to a full inch or even more!) anyways, 7 feet could still be accepted at the most and it might be changed to that , as for now i have changed his reach (actually 85 and not as previously listed 89 !) and his height to the "barefoot equivalent" of 6'11

greetings from germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.87.26.134 (talk) 06:31, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings back to you. We use reliable sources here, so please find one or more of these to back up your assertion. Cheers, and happy new year. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the rewrite tag

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I've reorganised the paragraphs and sections of this article and I think it's quite good now. I also see that a lot of others have improved the article since the tag was added nine months ago. If someone would like to discuss re-adding the tag, please give detailed reasons here so that editors can address them. --Gronky (talk) 02:07, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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VALUEV IS NOT THE TALLEST BOXER IN BOXING HISTORY

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Nikolai Valuev may be 7.2 ft tall but the phrase "Standing at 2.18 metres (7.2 ft) and a peak weight of 149 kilograms (328 lb), Valuev is best known for being the tallest and heaviest heavyweight champion in boxing history.[1][2]" is incorrect and needs to be edited.

Gogea Mitu, by his real name Gogu Stefanescu, is listed by the Guinness Book of World Records as the tallest professional boxer as being 7.6 ft tall.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Gogea_Mitu

http://www.boxing.com/gogea_mitu_a_tall_tale.html

Stefan Marius Neamtu (talk) 14:56, 9 April 2017 (UTC) Stefan[reply]

Please feel free to make any corrections you deem necessary. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What needs editing? Valuev is the tallest heavyweight champion in history, therefore the sentence reads just fine. Stefanescu never held a world heavyweight title. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:46, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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