Talk:Newport Ship

Merge from Newport medieval ship

This page has been created, despite the prescence of Newport ship which is linked to from the main Newport page. Owain (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• Support, Newport ship seems like a better name. Recury 20:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Ancient Danish Vessel discovered at Newport in 1878

In his 1882 publication (Morgan, Octavius (1882), "Goldcliff and the Ancient Roman Inscribed Stone Found There 1878", Monmouthshire & Caerleon Antiquarian Association) Morgan provides an extract from the Proceedings of Meeting of the Royal Archaeological Institute on June 7th 1878, describing the discovery of an "Ancient Danish Vessel" during the excavation work for the Newport Alexandra Dock. The clinker-built vessel, with caulking of "dark coloured wool", was of "Dantzic oak", and was estimated to have been some 70 feet long and from 17 to 20 feet broad. Somewhat tenuously (by comparison with a ship burial site at Gokstad not far from Sandifjord in Norway excavated in 1880) Morgan dates the ship to about 900 AD. But what became of this find? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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Correct article name?

If the official name of this ship is the Newport Medieval Ship, should this not be the name of the article? ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 22:02, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I think that would be a better name. But I see it's just "Newport Ship" here. Not sure what Newport Council now calls it, as that page has disappeared. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

They also call it Newport Ship. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:06, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

There has been a decision by those working on the ship (archaeology/history) to call it the "Newport Medieval Ship". I am working on finding the reference for that. In the meantime, consider all the book and article titles:
Jones, Evan T.; Stone, Richard, eds. (2018). The World of the Newport Medieval Ship: trade, politics and shipping in the mid-fifteenth century. University of Wales Press. ISBN 9781786831439.

Trett, Bob, ed. (2010). Newport Medieval Ship: A Guide. Newport City Council / Friends of the Newport Ship. ISBN 978-0-9519136-5-9.

and references 3, 5, and 6 (as currently numbered) all written by lead researchers integral to the project. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 13:23, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

No objections. Just inconsistency with "official" online names, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I think the problem is that the "Friends" organisation has not updated their name. The council's website on the subject also has some mixed terminology. I hope to dig up the source for the academics' naming decision at some point. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 13:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. Yes, name used in some academic paper(s) or book(s) would probably be the decider. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Frustratingly, I still cannot find where I read a report of the academics deciding on the "Newport medieval ship". However, I think the case is clear for a page move to that name and I do not see any dissenting voices. As soon as I get the opportunity, I will go ahead and make that change. ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 22:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Article class

I don't think this can be C-class, as there is just so much uncited material. Whole paragraphs, and one complete section, have no citations at all. KJP1 (talk) 08:36, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Little fishes

"Small fish, including domestic goldfish and a sturgeon were successfully used to predate the various marine invertebrates that were coincidentally collected when the timbers were salvaged." Whatever does the above sentence mean? I've presumptively removed it, as part of a CCI, but I'm at a loss to understand what "predate" means in this context. Does it actually mean "date"; i.e. the structure/anatomy of present day fish were used to date the much older fish remains that were scooped up? It can, of course, go back in with a cite and appropriate paraphrasing. KJP1 (talk) 08:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

When they salvaged the timbers, they came out of the mud with lots of invertebrates which were living in the wood. They put the timbers in a big pool. To stop the little critters chewing all the wood away, they added little fishies to eat them. So a bit like a mini-aquarium with added ancient wood! If that makes sense....? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC) As I recall, the sturgeon was pretty big. But no caviar...

A reference

I thought this review[1] by Fred Hocker (who is the Head of Research at the Vasa Museum[2]) gives a useful commentary on The World of the Newport Medieval Ship: trade, politics and shipping in the mid-fifteenth century. He particularly criticises the historians for attempting to link the ship to figures in history, presenting the simplest (though not the sole) hypothesis that the ship was simply a Basque ship that was in Bristol when it needed some repairs. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 13:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Reference style of article

Am I right in thinking that this article has short referencing using {{sfn}} as its referencing style? Normally I would just make that conclusion and change {{r}} refs over to the short form. However I recently managed to step on another editor's toes over referencing style, so seems worth checking before I go blundering in. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 14:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)