Talk:New World crops

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This article was selected as the article for improvement on 3 August 2020 for a period of one week.

Pepper

Changed chili pepper to pepper and linked to capsicum. All peppers are new world, not just chilis.Abee60 (talk) 07:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Potatoes

Why are potatoes not mentioned in the timeline? They are one of the most important New World crops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.122.201.26 (talk) 22:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC) added potatoAbee60 (talk) 06:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

Maybe the title should be changed to Ancient American crops, as there's no distinction between America and Polynesia.

Cotton

Cotton is not described as a New World crop on the main article. 207.119.2.63 (talk) 05:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Complex. There are multiple species of cotton, and the main one grown today is actually a new world species. In fact, that article does say: "the earliest cultivation of cotton discovered thus far in the Americas occurred in Mexico, some 8,000 years ago". In any case, cotton was certainly cultivated in the New World well before Europeans arrived, so it belongs in this list. Thomas Kluyver (talk) 16:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think of this article as the unique crops, not ones cultivated in other parts of the world.Abee60 (talk) 00:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC) Cotton does not conform to the definition mentioned in the article: "crops that were native to North and South America before 1492 and not found anywhere else in the world at that time". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.8.198.242 (talk) 02:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Timing

At present, the article says "The new world developed agriculture much later than the fertile crescent." This is probably based on Jared Diamond's book Guns, Germs and Steel, from 1997. The latest evidence suggests that agriculture actually began around the same time (c. 8000 BC), using squashes and root crops. Any objections to my updating this? Thomas Kluyver (talk) 16:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strawberries

I question the inclusion of strawberries, as many species are indigenous to Europe or Asia. Such as: Fragaria vesca (Northern hemisphere), Fragaria moschata (Europe), Fragaria viridis (Europe and central Asia), Fragaria daltoniana (Himalayas), Fragaria iinumae (East Russia, Japan), Fragaria nilgerrensis (south and southeast Asia), Fragaria nipponica (Japan), Fragaria nubicola (Himalayas), Fragaria yezoensis (northeast Asia), Fragaria moupinensis (northeast Asia) and Fragaria orientalis (east Asia).Abee60 (talk) 15:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC) I removed strawberries.Abee60 (talk) 00:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of animal products (or name change)

Doesn't it seem incongruous to list animal products (meats and poultry, cochineal) as examples of New World "Crops?" These examples should be removed, or the article rename ("New World Agriculture" seems good) 65.33.107.187 (talk) 23:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is some conflict between this list and the list at List_of_food_origins#Americas

Some of the dates and the inclusion of items conflicts between the two pages. To be honest, I prefer this page to be independent in the case of a merge, because it is easier to follow that that big overview page. 2606:A000:4001:5300:AC9A:CD80:DE95:6DA6 (talk) 13:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think we should we should move this article to "Crops in the New World" or "Crops grown in the New World"?

I found this article as an article that needed improvement. I think that the name should be changed to either "Crops in the New World" or "Crops grown in the New World". It may seem redundant, but it would be easier to understand, I think. Whatever the name will be changed to, or maybe simply unchanged, I think we need a consensus. I am an auto-confirmed user, so I could simply move it without any consensus, but that could be deemed "Wikipedivandalism". So, I have decided to reach a consensus with anyone interested in participating in this discussion. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 22:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why the proposed name change? It is about crops originating from the New World. Just like we say "New World monkeys", not "Monkeys from the New World" or some awkward wording either. Tisquesusa (talk) 22:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't perceive a rationale for a name change. Present name is shorter and perfectly descriptive. Smallchief (talk) 23:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, maybe you guys are right. I was just giving a suggestion, however. Thank you for your feedback. Friend505 (talk) 23:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could anyone please archive the discussion? Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 11:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

This article largely duplicates the information in List of food plants native to the Americas. Why not merge the two articles with the title New World crops? The title New World crops seems preferable to me because it is broader in scope by including non-food crops. Smallchief (talk) 10:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The list of crops needs updating

The plant structures rows were wrong in many cases (table is organized '... by plant structure used', see table header). I have updated/divided the roots into *true* root crops vs. *underground stem* crops. Note that roots vs. stems is a fundamental distinction in plant structure...

Further work is still needed: (1) the cereal crops should be listed under 'Fruits' (e.g., cereals are a type of fruit, just like the listed 'nuts' are a type of fruit); (2) The 'pseudocereals' row includes a mix of *seed* crops (like quinoa) and *fruit* crops (like sunflower, which are single-seeded fruits) -- this should be gone through carefully and re-arranged in the appropriate sections; (3) Cotton boll is also a type of dry fruit, and should be listed under 'Fruits'

Duplication of Capsicum

This edit duplicates Capsicum. Should we do this? Invasive Spices (talk) 16:02, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]