Talk:Nettie Metcalf

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Did you know... that Nettie Metcalf was the first woman recognized by the American Poultry Association for creating a breed of chicken, the Buckeye chicken (example pictured), in the 1890s?

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 15:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Buckeye chicken

... ~~that Ohio farmer Nettie Metcalf produced the Buckeye chicken breed in the 1890s, becoming the first recorded woman to create a breed of poultry?~~ Source: Source 1: http://buckrail.com/know-how-your-eggs-got-laid/ "The Buckeye are the only US poultry breed developed by a woman, Nettie Metcalf, who did so in the late 1800s."
Source 2: https://foodtank.com/news/2016/09/protecting-disappearing-livestock-breeds/ "Mrs. Nettie Metcalf developed the birds in Warren, Ohio, and they are the only bird known to be developed exclusively by a woman."
Source 3: https://www.ithaca.com/news/dryden/bringing-buckeye-chickens-to-dryden/article_f2e93b48-30a7-11e9-b95d-9be8a3068603.html "the breed is credited to Nettie Metcalf, who developed the breed in the 1890s in Warren, OH."
- ALT1: ... that Ohio farmer Nettie Metcalf produced the Buckeye chicken breed in the 1890s? Source: Alternatively, the DYK can focus on her breed creation achievement rather than the "first woman" approach.
  Source 3: https://www.ithaca.com/news/dryden/bringing-buckeye-chickens-to-dryden/article_f2e93b48-30a7-11e9-b95d-9be8a3068603.html "the [Buckeye] breed is credited to Nettie Metcalf, who developed the breed in the 1890s in Warren, OH."
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- Comment: The article was created by me less than 7 days ago. Special thanks to User:Thriley for suggesting that it could be a DYK.

Created by Evedawn99 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

This is a new article that is long enough and decently, but not completely sourced. I'm adding a {{cn}} tag, but it looks like just one. Hook is interesting, image is free. Copyvio check has some issues, but I think that's because there are a number of properly attributed direct quotes and is fine. This is your second DYK, so QPQ isn't required. but I recommend merging the one-sentence paragraphs in the lead and "Officiating breed" because I think it would read better, but that's optional advice. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Muboshgu; thank you very much for the review. I appreciate your honesty and specific constructive feedback. I have since been able to relocate the source of the William Williams claim and have added it to the article. Besides this, I have made a few more edits for clarity and readability, including those suggested in your comment. Thanks again for the help. The Fonz (talk) 02:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All good to go for DYK. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Evedawn99 and Muboshgu: hi there! I'm afraid I'm not sure I trust any of the sources to make such a bold claim; we've had a lot of problems at DYK with hooks claiming to be the "first" or "most" or "only" thing, only to find counter examples in the wider press. It gets particularly bad when the sources are mostly local – is there stronger sourcing for such a claim? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

for clarity while this is resolved. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 17:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and thank you for looking over this submission. I am not quite sure if these sources are strong enough, but here are a few more that state that Metcalf is the first/only female chicken breed developer. How to Raise Chickens (2013) ; The Suburban Chicken (2015): , The Complete Beginner's Guide to Raising Small Animals (2012): , and Star Milling. I understand the possibility of finding contradictory evidence; however, I am not able find any source that lists women who have created poultry breeds, nor can I find any other chicken breed created by a woman. These sources all state that Metcalf is the first woman to create a breed recognized by the American Poultry Association; perhaps the hook can be altered to fit this distinction so it is factually true? Please let me know if these suffice and thanks again for helping fact-check the statement. The Fonz (talk) 02:09, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@The Fonz: I think that would be advisable, yes :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- ALT2: ... that Nettie Metcalf was the first woman to be recognized by the American Poultry Association for creating a breed of chicken, the Buckeye chicken (pictured), in the 1890s? @Theleekycauldron: I have created the hook as suggested above, and confirmed that it is supported in the book (now cited) suggested above. This could be a nice hook during Thanksgiving. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 06:53, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
New reviewer needed to check ALT2. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the new hook is good so I'll approve it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]