Talk:Neo-Marxism

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This article needs referencing and examples. Who is a neo-Marxist in this sense? --BobFromBrockley 17:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It definitely needs referencing. I'm not familiar with this use of "neo-Marxism" (which seems to be basically equivalent to "Western Marxism"). "Neo-marxism" is a recognized term in political economy (referring to Marxist economists of the 50s and 60s, and also to dependency theorists), and related developments in International Relations. VoluntarySlave 00:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I've tagged the article as unreferenced. In fact, it may need to be rewritten to conform to authoritative sources' take on what "neo-Marxism" means (which is probably several different things depending on context). The current article seems very partial and idiosyncratic, and possibly just wrong. -- Rbellin|Talk 03:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

All right, I've done some quick research, and no source I can find attributes this precise meaning to "neo-Marxism." Nothing I can find (nor my own experience) suggests that the term has a fixed common meaning -- rather (like post-Marxism or post-communism, two more articles that need cleanup) it's a loose term used to denote any number of strands of twentieth-century Marx-derived thought. See this or this, for example. The Dictionary of Marxist Thought, usually authoritative on such subjects, has no entry at all for "neo-Marxism." This article should acknowledge the term's fuzziness rather than putting forth its own idiosyncratic interpretation. -- Rbellin|Talk 03:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

So I've added a new lead paragraph to attempt to alleviate this problem. Much remains to be done, and the article still might be better merged (say, into Western Marxism). -- Rbellin|Talk 03:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is terrible and after reading it, I don't even know what Neo-Marxism is! Fix nao. User: Uriah is Boss 08:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

How to Fix this Article

This article was created to refer to sociologists who take Weberian approaches to Marxist problems. The fact is, the premier example of this is Daniel Bell and the article on Daniel Bell is far more informative than this article. Because most editors had no idea what this article is supposed to be about, people have, in good faith, added content on real Marxists - not the Weberians the original stub alluded to. This was a well-intentioned ut misguided effort. The solution to this problem is to keep improving the article on Daniel Bell and other sociologists like him (maybe Bourdieu?). These sociologists really do deserve coverage in Wikipedia. But we already have fine articles on them that are far afar more informative than this article is or can be.

The fact is, there is no coherent school of thought called "neo-marxism" so editors working in good faith on this article will never be able to make it work as a good WP article. After seven years, I think it is time to delete it. Our efforts are better spent on the articles that already exist referring to all of these scholars, and the Marxism article - all of those articles are more informative, and anyone interested in research on Weber and Marx will more likely turn to those articles than this one. Slrubenstein | Talk 10:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

deletion

Please see: [1] Slrubenstein | Talk 09:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

page repair

Hello! I have been assigned the repair job on this here article. My intention is to focus on layout and clarity of information, as well as structuring any information regarding disagreements. I know very little about Neo-Marxism, so I do hope that some expert will join in this conversation, and help make this page great again! Protips, suggestions, ideas, etc -- send them this way! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLoneDeranger (talk • contribs) 02:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Re-Write Change Log

Minor changes have not been mentioned in commit comments. I have left numerous unconfirmed assertions unaltered because I am not an expert on this subject. Most improvements were the removal of potentially confusing sub-headers, nonsequiters, and unrelated information. You will notice that I have committed changes by section in order to make any potential rollbacks easier. A query to numerous academic publishers returned 1,012 documents containing references to 'neo-Marxism.' For this reason, although I am not an expert on tying shoes, much less neo-Marxism, I see no reason to consider this page for deletion, and rather believe that it ought to be gentrified and made suitable as a record for the generations who survive. However, that its existence and relavence was called into question is itself a potential indication of unrest or disagreement (etc) to it, which I would encourage be added to the article if such a source, worthy of citation, presents itself. A snippet from the introduction was moved to the 'history' section.

I recognize that the history section re-write was quite a substantial edit. I think you'll find my justification adequate. If not, I invite you to roll back. I'll be very offended. Just kidding. But seriously though I'll cry myself to sleep. I'm just joking of course. But really. I saw it necessary to remove the reference to Hans-Jürgen Krahl, since there is no English Wikipedia article related to him, and no citation to associate him with neo-Marxism. I also checked a brief biography of him and found no references to 'neo-Marxism.' I also concluded that the reference to "Fresco" ought to be removed, as it is both ambiguous and lacks both a Wiki and sufficient information for me determine that such a person exists. While I acknowledge that this is not the same as this person being non-existence, the sentence in which they are referenced is somewhat confusing and would require the attention of an expert on the subject. If such an expert were to contribute, I expect they would check the Talk page and make a determination as to whether this mysterious character ought to be re-inserted into this article. Although I had previously thought that the Frankfurt School was a posh boarding school for brats in ties and fitted vests, I added the information about it ('dissented' and such) solely by looking at the associated Wikipedia article for around 4 seconds. I am unclear on whether this ought to be cited, and would appreciate the guidance of the community. One may become concerned that reliance on another Wikipedia article perpetuates potentially inaccurate information, and to them I will point out that the Frankfurt School article does not have quality-deficiency flags, and although this is not conclusive, it is at least more probably accurate. Details about the Frankfurt School did not seem relevant to neo-Marxism, and should be included in the prior's article; has no place here. A "main article" link could be added, but this section is very small, and a hyperlink seems sufficient. The reference to 'pinko' came from my own noggin, but I'll be darned if you don't agree it's suitable. Also, if you were wondering, I am a little teapot; short and stout. That is all.

I did not see it suitable that I make major change the 'Neo-Marxist Theories' section, although I do believe it needs expansion'. I know neither enough to expand them nor to collapse them; they may be too dissimilar to be unified in one section. I merely polished the Wiki voice. Finally, during this commit I added an external link that seemed relevant.

A final thought: it looks like Neo-Marxian economics starts out as a second version of this article. Further, it could use some technical editing. I would humbly request, on behalf of the human species and the valarians who will later study them, that any expert who reads this Talk page would consider also volunteering effort to improve that page. TheLoneDeranger (talk) 10:23, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Critique

As NeoMarxism seems to reinvent the dystophics of the other Marxisms the main focus of the article should be on the critique, thu qui bono and such... 2A02:3030:4:712F:7F90:564B:789C:6BCD (talk) 15:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

needs clarification and reorganisation

hard to follow, illogically ordered. 92.18.231.50 (talk) 14:30, 16 May 2023 (UTC)