Talk:Neifi Pérez

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Why the emphasis on batting average alone?

Average, by itself, is not a good indicator of offensive value. Saros136 (talk) 21:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Palin comment

I think the comment about Sarah Palin should be removed, as it is more about Palin than Perez. This article is supposed to be about baseball, not about politics. If Perez himself had expressed a political view, that would be one thing, but this is just some baseball writer giving his opinion on politics. That article "might" possibly be pertinent to the Palin page, but it is not to this one. I don't think it even gives broader significance at all because it really does not have much to do with Perez. Its broader significance is really something that is not even significant to Perez. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 13:25, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm OK with having it in there. The article is supposed to be about Perez, not just baseball or just politics. Also, the paragraph just isn't about Nate Silver's comments. It has another from a Chicago writer regarding his offensive futility. Some of the comments could be better sourced or toned-down, such as "He was widely criticized because of his low on-base percentage (career .297) and lack of power." — X96lee15 (talk) 14:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I should clarify I'm not concerned about the whole paragraph, just Silver's comment about Palin. The Chicago comment should stay. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nate Silver's a prominent writer, and an expert about both politics and baseball who always chooses his words carefully. When discussing a player's legacy, for better or for ill, that's the sort of comment you're looking for. See also Mendoza Line for another example (more prominent) of a baseball concept crossing into other areas. Mackensen (talk) 18:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since this article is about Perez, and not about Palin, why don't we reword the statement so that it just mentions Perez? We could easily say, "Nate Silver wrote that Perez's statistics indicated he had a negative impact on the teams he played for." Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 11:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why dilute it? The direct quotation is more interesting and has a greater impact. Mackensen (talk) 12:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't find the direct quote more interesting, although it does have a greater impact--on Palin, not on Pérez. As nobody has solidly disagreed about paraphrasing it, and as the nominator of this article, I am going to paraphrase it. Thanks to all who commented, though, I am paraphrasing it instead of removing it entirely, my original intent. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 11:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough; the paraphrase works for me. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 16:09, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 19:53, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do this review.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:53, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LEAD

~~The dates in the first paragraph seem unnecessary.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Aren't the teams suppose to be linked in the infobox.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reduced date use. Re the infobox, I believe the teams are linked in the list but not for the debut year and such. Mackensen (talk) 13:14, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll get a second opinion at WT:MLB. After that I think the article is good.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:38, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The response I got is that it would be redundant to linking the team chronology. Of course, one could link to team seasons, but that does not seem to be what the project wants.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Colorado Rockies

~~"The Rockies had offered him a 4-year, $17 million contract in favor of a 1-year $3.55 million deal." is unclear.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I left out a clause when I wrote that; updated. Mackensen (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"In the end the Rockies dealt Pérez to the Kansas City Royals as part of a three-way deal in which the Royals sent Jermaine Dye to the Oakland Athletics who then sent Mario Encarnacion, José Ortiz and Todd Belitz." This is a three way trade that sounds like a two way trade. Please clarify.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Clarified that the Oakland players went to Colorado. Mackensen (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago Cubs

~~"worth between $1 million and $2.5 million." - We should be able to be more clear than this.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:43, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Found a source explaining it: $1 million base and up to $1.5 million in bonuses. Mackensen (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Detroit Tigers

~~I wouldn't pipe 2006 before World Series. We need to know what year we are in at this point.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:43, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~St. Louis Cardinals should be piped to 2006 St. Louis Cardinals season.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:50, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Milwaukee Brewers should also be piped to the team season article.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:51, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Piped links added for all three. Mackensen (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign

~~Not everyone is going to know what the DR-PR All Star Game is without an explanation.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:43, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Spelled out; is more context necessary? Mackensen (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See also

~~This section shows he is on two lists that are not explained in the text above. These seem to by accomplishments that should be in the text.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:47, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added references and text for both. Mackensen (talk) 13:26, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~use {{clear}} so the commons box does not go into the next section.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mackensen (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

~~No one uses {{Reflist|2}} anymore it should be {{Reflist|33em}}.~~--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well I do, and I'm not no one ;). The discussion at {{Reflist}} seems inconclusive, but I agree that setting an em scales better on different devices. I've adopted 30em per the documentation there. Mackensen (talk) 13:05, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems fairly complete and is within striking distance of WP:GA so I will put it on Hold. I will monitor responses to my concerns and reevaluate within about 7 days.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to PASS this article now.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Amphetamine use

Neifi Pérez's amphetamine use is well-documented. When I wrote the article in 2008 I worked from newspapers that I had access to through Lexis-Nexis Academic such as the Detroit Free Press, which is cited in the text. I don't know what terms 173.28.213.150 (talk · contribs) is using when searching, but stories such as this one from ESPN or this one from the New York Times came up right away. It was a pretty big deal at the time. Mackensen (talk) 03:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]