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A fact from Ned Dobbs appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 September 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a civil servant sued his own minister for libel?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:05, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Director-General of Education Ned Dobbs sued education minister Phillip Amos for libel after he allegedly said Dobbs was ‘extremely right-wing and an impediment to progress’? Source: For the taking of the libel case "The Minister of Education (Mr Amos) has been cited as first defendant in a $20,000 defamation claim brought by the former Director-General of Education (Mr A. N. V. Dobbs). The claim, which has been lodged in the Wellington Supreme Court, relates to criticisms which Mr Amos is alleged to have made of Mr Dobbs in an article published in the Student Teachers’ Association magazine, “Clamant” in April this year." "ACTION AGAINST MR AMOS". paperspast.natlib.govt.nz. 14 August 1975.
For what Amos was alleged to have said, Parliamentary record contains quote from Clamant "He said Dobbs had been extremely right-wing and an impediment to progress." https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2940150&view=1up&seq=12&skin=2021&q1=Dobbs
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Moved to mainspace by DrThneed (talk). Self-nominated at 00:39, 1 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new enough and long enough.
No issues with WP:BLP or WP:NPOV.
Earwig doesn't see any copyvios.
The Who's who in New Zealand source is probably not a WP:RS. WP:RSNP doesn't have a WW in NZ entry, but has for similar publications with the opinion that they're generally unreliable due to the material being supplied by the subjects themselves, i.e. essentially self-published.
You shouldn't be citing paperspast; they're just an aggregator or database, like Google Books, Newspapers.com, etc. Cite the original publisher, i.e. The Press (Canterbury, New Zealand). I'm not sure if this is a hard-fail by DYK rules (but it's pretty close to the bare URL rule), but it should be fixed.
QPQ is done.
The hook seems kind of verbose, but I can't find a good way to shorten it without making it too cryptic. Perhaps you could suggest some other hooks that might be pithier? -- RoySmith (talk) 15:57, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review @RoySmith:. I have replaced Who's who with other sources, and fixed the Paperspast citations. I appreciate the hook seems wordy, and I think it is largely due to the job titles, but they are what make it interesting, how often does a civil servant sue their own minister for libel? I can offer a shorter one without the quote or with a different ending but personally I find them both much less satisfactory than ALT0.

ALT1* ... that Director-General of Education Ned Dobbs sued education minister Phillip Amos for libel after it was reported Amos had Dobbs compulsorily retired? Source:As for ALT0

ALT2* ... that Director-General of Education Ned Dobbs sued education minister Phillip Amos for libel? Source:As for ALT0

DrThneed (talk) 00:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For periodicals where the city isn't obvious (i.e. The New York Times), use the location field in {{cite news}} to add that. I did one (Special:Diff/1110526059), you should fix up the others. That won't hold up this review, but they should get fixed.

approving ALT1 and ALT2, but let me toss your own words back at you, hookified in last-slot quirky style (somebody else will need to approve this one):

ALT3 ... that a civil servant sued his own minister for libel?

-- RoySmith (talk) 01:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well when you put it like that...! ALT3 is fine with me (I seem to end in last slot quite often!) DrThneed (talk) 02:08, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DrThneed please don't forget to fix up the other missing location fields in references. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:54, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith, I thought I had, what is still missing? DrThneed (talk)

Oh sorry I missed one of your comments above. On it now. DrThneed (talk)

In 1975 NZ was decimal and $ dollars, not pounds. 20,000 dollars or pounds, how much did Dobbs sue for?

pounds or dollars? 151.210.233.44 (talk) 04:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As per the "Press" newspaper article given as a reference, Dobbs had sued for NZ$20,000. Did an edit to the wikipedia page to reflect that being the case. Cheers, Aerohydro (talk) 04:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]