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In popular culture

Does a page about a human rights violation need a section talking about in what video-games or television shows the act has been referenced? It does seem insensitive. 94.175.66.44 (talk) 03:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is anything insensitive about it, but it seems out-of-proportion with the rest of the article. IPC sections on some articles get a bit large and out-of-control. There is no IPC section in lynching, for example.

I'm going to remove the entire IPC, but feel free to revert if someone strongly disagrees. TricksterWolf (talk) 15:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd like to see a citation for this: "Desmond Tutu once famously saved a near victim of necklacing when he rush into a large gathered crowd and threw his arms around a man who was about to be killed. Tutu's actions caused the crowd the release the man." --MacMoney 14:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt you'll find a credible one for this, but it's folklore to boost the public image of an ANC icon. --41.18.66.101 (talk) 07:35, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To which ANC icon are you referring as Desmond Tutu has always been one of the African National Congress' vocal critics? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.30.79.194 (talk) 05:49, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"At least one person has died by necklacing in the deadly Muslim protests of satirical cartoons drawn of the Prophet Muhammad" the following sentence was added by me and I also referenced it

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060219/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_prophet_drawings

However, the original Yahoo! article no longer exists. I guess someone removed the reference thinking it was the wrong link or something, and later someone else added the "fact" tag to the now unreferenced sentence. Just wanted to let people know that the Yahoo! article is the correct source, even though it no longer exists. I've since reinstated the reference.

Edit: People still keep removing the reference link...per WP:Cite it should stay until someone can find an equivalent page. --Mad Max 13:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since I'm sure people will still keep removing the link despite policy I've searched the web and it seems other websites are using the same AP article Yahoo! used, see the second paragraph of this San Diego Union-Tribune article. --Mad Max 19:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How many?

This article gives no idea how many victims of these mongrels were necklaced. It might have been two, or thousands. Anyone know? 121.217.26.178 (talk) 07:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have added death statistics. The book ("Violence in South Africa: A Variety of Perspectives") isn't specific about the method. It only distinguishes between massacre and non-massacre deaths, presumably to show the culpability of the Apartheid government. The average was 243.4 deaths per month. Presumably most of these were not necklacings, although the comprehensive nature of the planning and execution of necklacing (Chapter 6) suggests a daily occurance. Does that answer your question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulsheer (talk • contribs) 12:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It always amazed me how many liberals in the West actually spoke in defence of "necklacing". No doubt those same people abhorred lynchings in America.JohnC (talk) 23:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.30.79.194 (talk) 05:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We should consider removing the "in popular culture" section in order to preserve the encyclopedic nature of this article. 76.214.204.225 (talk) 18:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SAIRR Today: People’s War: New Light on the Struggle - 4th September 2009

The following article may shed more light on "Necklacing": http://www.sairr.org.za/sairr-today/news_item.2009-09-03.4310602162/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.19.188.104 (talk) 17:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems as if the institute has removed pages http://longwalksincefreedom.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-light-on-struggle-for-south-africa.html --41.18.66.101 (talk) 08:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More reliable source on Winnie Mandela's endorsement?

The Guardian's coverage of this "impli[cation]" is weak. 108.86.21.178 (talk) 10:00, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What about this: http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/winnie-madikizela-mandela Royalcourtier (talk) 04:20, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done - Snori (talk) 03:39, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Origins

Benjamin Kinikini was not killed by necklacing. He should not be described as the first victim of this barbaric form of lynching. The death of Matthew Goniwe was also not due to necklacing.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Surely these two statements are contradictory?

"The practice appears to have begun in the Eastern Cape area of South Africa in the mid-1980s." vs. "In the early years of 1960, when the seeds of the ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka (Sri Lankan Civil War) related to Eelam were being sown, Sinhala rioters used necklacing in anti Tamil riots." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.11.62 (talk) 22:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ANC supported Necklacing:

"Whatever the people decide to use to eliminate those enemy elements is their decision. If they decide to use necklacing, we support it." ANC general secretary Mr Alfred Nzo in an interview as reported by the London Sunday Times, 14 September 1986. --41.151.210.131 (talk) 09:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Full reference is: Lisa Distelheim, 'ANC Approves Necklacing to Execute "Spies"', Sunday Time [London], 14 September 1986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.6.87.16 (talk) 02:54, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the article seems to be written in a way that is very defensive about the ANC. Clearly some ANC members didn't condemn this and actually took part in it. It makes the whole article look biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.38.34.2 (talk) 09:05, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How does it work

Do they fill an inner tube with petrol, or is it just the outer tube? If the later how do they keep the petrol from just spilling out? The description is a bit vague — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.203.7.110 (talk) 04:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Removed NPOV tag

The article was flagged as NPOV, however no further explanation was given in the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1811:B052:A00:694C:5419:7425:E763 (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The NPOV tag was perfectly warranted. The article strips the practice of its context and makes it sound like people protesting the Apartheid were a bunch of violent murderers. It's hard to read it without feeling like there's an agenda being pushed here. 46.97.170.34 (talk) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Watch any video of necklacing. Never a single white person pictured. That's your own racism showing through here. 97.115.154.252 (talk) 05:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My comment said nothing about race. The article frames anti-apartheid protesters as violent murderers by putting undue emphasis on the severity with which they punished collaborators of the regime, framing such actions as brutal, barbaric murder, while stripping these actions of their proper context, i.e. the brutality of the repressive white supremacist regime these people protested, which makes their methods much more understandable. 46.97.170.182 (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]