Talk:Nazareth, Pennsylvania

More References Needed

The article has been tagged with a request for more citations to verify information in the "History" and "Industry" sections. Bridger987 (talk) 08:57, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit: In addition, this line needs to be cited / verified: "Nazareth contains an Indian cemetery and has possessed a fire engine imported from England in 1791 that is believed to be the oldest fire engine in the United States." --Bridger987 (talk) 20:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Just so no one's confused, I recently deleted the New York City and New Jersey Migration tab. There are reasons for why I did so. As most of you know, the goal to writing on here is to state facts. Whether we like or not, we know people come on hear thinking everything they read are facts. Many people are too lazy to double check things for themselves.

There was no source nor any piece of evidence that'd support such a theory that people from New York City, New Jersey or Philadelphia were moving there. Also, to who ever created that tab, there seemed to have been a considerable amount of bias. It's possible that may have been the person's personal situation. The whole tab, including the tab above regarding construction, which I minimized, showed incredible disrespect and no regard to the native Pennsylvania Dutch of the region. The person also exaggerated by saying people were conservative. Also, if New York City, New Jersey and Philadelphia actually contributed to the growth of Nazareth, why is the place 98.46% white? It'd make no sense. Philadelphia's like 43% white, New York City's around the same and New Jersey's 79 percent.

I am not saying that who ever wrote what ever there may have necessarily been incorrect, but to post without source leaves reason to be skepitcal. If you were to actually look at the decade-to-decade growth of Northampton county though, you'd know Northampton county should have grown by more than what it has. For example, the U.S. grew by 7.7% in between 2000-07. Northampton county has not grown by that sum. Other factors such as immigration will play into the effect of natural increase, but while Nazareth may not experience much, other parts of Northampton county do, especially compared to the rest of the state of Pennsylvania. TomNyj0127 (talk)

If you were to even look at some neighboring towns, or towns that aren't far away such as Easton, you'd notice there's a decline in population there. These people are the likely ones to be contributing to the population of Nazareth, because they represent identical demography and it's relatively convenient. TomNyj0127 (talk)

Nazareth High School and marching band

The Nazareth Marching band has had 169 1st place since 1980, 36 second place awards, 10 third place awards and 16 time placed out of top 3. They have ben United states scholastic Band Association chapions 7 times and Tournament of Bands Atlantic Coast Champion once. They have won 5 times USSBA Pennsylvaia State Champions and recently got the highest score ever in USSBA Hisotry of 98.575. That should qualitfy for making nazareth high school marching band an excelent band

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The churches of Nazareth polarized the town's people

The churches of Nazareth polarized the town's people with minorly different interpretations of scripture in ritual and practice.

I am not qualified to do a rewrite, being an Emmaus boy, but is this sentance seems bit overwrought. What are we talking about here, sectarian conflict, or a few cross words? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 214.16.41.245 (talk) 19:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

"The Weight" characters, not fictional

Check out the article on The Weight. These are real, Annie is fron Turkey Scratch.Pustelnik 16:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

NewsOverCoffee Link

Is it really appropriate to have a NewsOverCoffee link in the body of the article? I get the feeling that this link was inserted by someone who had a vested interest in the blog, because when I first came across it, the blog was described as "highly respected". I think for the time being, that I may move it to an "External Links" section. Please add your input if you disagree.--Bridger987 (talk) 00:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Update 4/17/09

I have seen that a user keeps re-posting the NewsOverCoffee link, despite its being removed by myself and others for issues with its relevance. Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome blog, but the way it keeps getting inserted into the article, it's almost as if it is acting as an advertisement.

I think that links to local blogs would certainly be a good thing, but we need to have more than just the one (I know that there are others) and they need to be in a non-promotional context. Would people agree?--Bridger987 (talk) 02:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Still no source to prove that people from New York City or New Jersey ever moved in significant numbers to Nazareth

1) Nazareth's topography can best be described as hilly, as the town itself sits atop a local outcropping underground of one of the richest veins of limestone in the U.S. Farmland surrounding Nazareth is quickly being devoured and turned into close sitting lots of suburban housing, designed especially to accommodate the massive influx of New Jersey and New York City residents in recent years.

If you guy's don't like what I say, that's fine, but the fact is, I base what I say on evidence, not my opinion. Now with all due respect, I see that you guy's haven't re-created that tab, which I respect, but this quote above lacks source, evidence, and for that matter, merit. It was all good, up until where it says designed especially to accomodate the massive influx of New Jersey and New York City residents in recent years?

Designed? What is this like Carvel making them an ice cream cake? How could it be? New York City's far, so you can't work there. Nazareth's somewhat inland, and away from parts of New Jersey close by. Plus, the parts of New Jersey close by don't lose much population. Meanwhile, as a whole, Northampton county, as well as neighboring counties such as Lehigh don't maintain it's entire natural increase, so that's be a reasonable explanation to who's moving there.

Where is the source to prove people from New York City or New Jersey have moved to Nazareth? With all due respect, it's come to me that someone may have a personal bias on here, in that they want to prove people from New York City or New Jersey move here, even if there's no evidence. I'm not denying that it can't be true, although I believe it's severely exaggerated, but the truth is, there's nothing to support the statement. Are there an articles that support this? Do you have Census reports that show this? Nonetheless is Nazareth demographically irrelevant to New York City and New Jersey, but it's also much more white than other parts of it's own county, so to insinuate a city that's only roughly 40 percent white can impact this, without a viable explanation, lacks merit.

Keep your opinions, personal views, experiences and what not off the board. Put sources behind arguable statements and they'll be no arguments. I have no problem discussing this issue. In the mean time, until sources are provided on this disputable issue, I'll be deleting that out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.230.11 (talk) 04:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Nazareth in Music

The song "Speedway at Nazareth" should be included.

The Five Iron Frenzy album Cheeses...(of Nazareth) should also be included. 76.26.57.142 (talk) 22:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Corrected History, theology, added reference

Corrected spelling and references to Whitefield and Oglethorpe, added citation for early Moravian history. Removed claim that Whitefield's dispute with the Moravians was over "transsubstantion." It was over PREDESTINATION, the same issue he squabbled with the Wesleys about. Whitefield was a Presbyterian and did not believe in transsubstantiation, which is a Roman Catholic belief. Cleaned up repetitive material about history. JJackman (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

External links

Yes, the Nazareth Chamber of Commerce is in Nazareth. It is one of numerous organizations there. Per WP:ELNO #13, we avoid links to sites "that are only indirectly related to the article's subject...a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked from an article about a general subject."

Similarly, we would not add a link to a particular movie's website from the production company's article, New York's website from the article on the United States, etc.

The Chamber is a small part of the town. If the Chamber had an article, we would not link to individual members' websites for the same reason. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. We seem to have disagreeing guidelines here; not at all an unusual situation on Wikipedia. WP:USCITIES#External links seems to approve of using convention and visitor's bureau links; in many cities the CVB and the chamber are the same organization. I really didn't see the relevance of #13 inWP:ELNO. It is commonplace to have chamber links in settlement articles, although some of them can be very commercial. So I guess my question is, are you objecting to links to chambers of commerce in general, or to something specific about this one? John from Idegon (talk) 23:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, WP:USCITIES#External links does approve of using convention and visitor's bureau links. In context, however, that clearly doesn't help here: "A link to some of the official websites should be provided here, such as the official city government, or the convention and visitors bureau." We aren't talking about an official visitors bureau, we're talking about another entity within the city. "Providing links to every commercial, educational, or other entity within the city is not appropriate for this section."

As it now stands, though, I think there's a bigger problem. The official website for Nazareth (both as an EL listing and a cite) is a dead link. I can't seem to find an official replacement, just the usual pseudo-local commercial sites. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:28, 4 February 2014 (UTC)