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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
* ... that several-times international champion adult figure skaterNaz Arıcı started ice skating from scratch at the age of 29?
Source: "İkiz gibi büyüdüğü arkadaşı ölünce kararını verdi! 29 yaşında başladı, 5 kez şampiyon oldu", "29 yaşında sıfırdan başladığı buz pateninde 32 yaşında yetişkinler artistik buz pateni dünya şampiyonu oldu." [1]
ALT1: ... that electrical/electronics engineer Naz Arıcı quit her profession at the age of 34 to devote herself to competitions of adult figure skating she started when she was 29? Source: "... Naz Arıcı,“İlk şampiyonluğumdan sonra 2016 da katılacağım yarışma için işimi bıraktım ..." [2]", "29 yaşında sıfırdan başladığı buz pateninde 32 yaşında yetişkinler artistik buz pateni dünya şampiyonu oldu." [3]
ALT2: ... that Naz Arıcı paved the way to the establishment of the adult figure skating branch in Turkey in 2016? Source: " Yetişkinler dalını 2015 yılında dünyada aldığı ilk şampiyonlukla (15 ülkeden 38 kişinin katıldığı Naz’ın ilk yarışması) Türkiye’ye getirdi ve 2016 yılında ülkemize yeni bir dalın açılmasını sağladı." [4]
Overall: I was excited to see this bio at DYK, since I work on figure skating articles, too, and I value creating and improving fs articles, especially ones about women skaters. Such a beautiful story about adult figure skating in Turkey. However and unfortunately, I don't think that this bio is ready for the main page. The bio uses, for example, overly promotional and puffery language, such as most of the third paragraph in the "Early life" section. Much of the prose also suffers from awkward wording in English as well. The hooks for this DYK suffers from similar issues; all hooks are worded awkwardly. It's awkward in English, for example, to state that one starts something from scratch. Rather, it should read something like this: ALT3:... that several-times international champion adult figure skaterNaz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate the age of 29? Since I don't know Turkish and depend entirely on Google Translate, I'm AGF that the sources are accurately cited and worded and that there's no plagiarism. I think that if you worked on the article's prose, improving the hooks would be an easy fix. Please understand that I'm not being disrespectful, but I'm coming from a place of valuing the sport of figure skating on WP. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for your review and comment. I copyedited the article a little and replaced the original hook with following:CeeGee05:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that several-times international champion adult figure skaterNaz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate at the age of 29?
User:CeeGee, apologies for taking so long to get back to this review. I'm sorry, but the same problems remain. You only copyedited a couple of things; I can't pass this DYK unless you go through the entire article, not just the couple of items I brought up as examples. I suggest that you ask another editor to copyedit it, to gain another set of eyes to improve it. This article is unfortunately still not ready to appear on the main page. I'm fine with hook ALT3. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:50, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Figureskatingfan: I'll be honest, I was trying to get out of writing a lede, I've split it up a bit. What was your beef with ALT0? ALT3a: ... that several-times international champion adult figure skaterNaz Arıcı first learned how to skate aged 29? is essentially ALT0 with no new information. I think you could approve it, unless you have further concerns.--Launchballer23:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Figureskatingfan: Thank you for your efforts. If I had the ability to copyedit the article in the way you want, surely I would do it. Moreover, I was not aware that a standard exists for ice skating bio articles. Sorry! It is very nice that there are Wikipedians who help me. @Launchballer: Thank you very much indeed for taking time to copyedit the article in full. It seems that it meets now the minimum requirement of the reviewer. CeeGee12:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, you did almost exactly what I would've done with the lede and the sections. I'll try to do a little clean-up later today. See above for my reasons for not liking ALT0; it has to do with the awkward wording, especially that Arıcı started skating from scratch. I like either ALT3 or ALT4. @CeeGee:, of course, that's what we should do here, help each other to make articles better. I should have quoted the policy; here it is: MOS:FS. Be warned, it's quite extensive, but I suggest that you look at it to help you improve other fs articles. I agree, everything looks pretty much good to go. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was excited to see this bio at DYK, since I work on figure skating articles, too, and I value creating and improving fs articles, especially ones about women skaters. Such a beautiful story about adult figure skating in Turkey. However and unfortunately, I don't think that this bio is ready for the main page. The bio uses, for example, overly promotional and puffery language, such as most of the third paragraph in the "Early life" section. Much of the prose also suffers from awkward wording in English as well. The hooks for this DYK suffers from similar issues; all hooks are worded awkwardly. It's awkward in English, for example, to state that one starts something from scratch. Rather, it should read something like this: ALT3:... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate the age of 29? Since I don't know Turkish and depend entirely on Google Translate, I'm AGF that the sources are accurately cited and worded and that there's no plagiarism. I think that if you worked on the article's prose, improving the hooks would be an easy fix. Please understand that I'm not being disrespectful, but I'm coming from a place of valuing the sport of figure skating on WP. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)