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During the 1980s, an avionics testbed aircraft was struck by a heavy bird during landing, demolishing the pilot's windscreen. He was not hurt, and the plane skidded some but did not leave the runway. The base newspaper had page one photos and a story but this was before online information. Does anyone have a copy of the photo of the plane? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.225.22 (talk) 20:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this still called Naval Air Station Point Mugu, when the whole article is about NBVC?Broccoliboy5 (talk) 20:41, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Seabee base and the Naval Air Station consolidated commands to cut cost. NBVC is the resulting single command. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.196.121.15 (talk) 18:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Naval Air Station Point Mugu → Naval Base Ventura County – It was renamed Naval Base Ventura County in 2000. Brycehughes (talk) 16:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Support - 2004-2013 GB shows 387 vs 251 hits for new name. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - noncontroversial name change. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - google shows that at present there are 743k regular hits, including 157 news hits, for the old name and the official name has 11.3k regular hits, and 210 news hits; additionally 2,560 books use the official name as opposed to 16.9k use the old name. Therefore, per WP:COMMONNAME the official name isn't yet the common name.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point, although note that many of those hits are talking about the base in a historical context, back when its name was NAS Point Mugu. Many of the books are either talking about the base in a historical context or were published pre-2000 (before the name change). I'm thinking the Google News hits are better for determining its common name used by reliable sources today. Brycehughes (talk) 06:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support as this is the name of the base now. (Similar to giving a married woman her married name.) It would be possible to break out a separate article called "Naval Air Station Point Mugu" which would be a history of a defunct/merged basis; that could be done by expanding the redirect into an article. But for now the base should be called by its actual name. --MelanieN (talk) 07:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Comment, the better question is not what its official name is but what is its common name used by reliable sources?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources use Naval Base Ventura County. E.g. search for each of the names in Google News and see the results. Brycehughes (talk) 19:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, as Broccoliboy5 pointed out above, the article's content is primarily about the consolidated base, Naval Base Ventura County, including both NAS Point Mugu and Naval Construction Battalion Center Port Hueneme. This might be reason enough alone to rename the article. Regardless, if we don't end up renaming, it would probably make sense to split the article into two separate articles for each component of Navy Base Ventura County, since the NCBC Port Hueneme is not synonymous with NAS Point Mugu. Brycehughes (talk) 05:52, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An alternative is to follow the route taken by Joint Base Lewis-McChord. There is still an article about Fort Lewis, and article about McChord Air Force Base, and there is an article about the joint base as it now exists.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Ship commissioning

Is Ship commissioning a notable event at a base? Two ships were deleted without discussion on 24 May 2014 with the comment - "Accidents and incidents: commissioning is not an accident or incident." Should they be moved to the appropriate section of the article? Fettlemap (talk) 19:37, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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