Talk:National poet

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Suggest a look at fr:Liste de sobriquets pour les langues. Man vyi 11:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

National poet and poet laureate

The following were my remarks in a recent discussion at Talk:Scottish literature. I think they are more on topic here. Also posting at Poet laureate.

There are two concepts here, and this is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. Our articles should generally be about a single concept; the rest is a matter of disambiguation. Yes, our article national poet should mention—by way of disambiguation—that the term can also mean something akin to poet laureate. But the article should be about people like Burns or Eminescu, and poet laureate should be about people who hold national office as a poet, regardless of the title used in a particular country. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC) National poet and poet laureate are not same.Poet laureate is a political post but National poet is a recognition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonnetkajal (talk • contribs) 07:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolás Guillén

For Cuba we list Nicolás Guillén. I've never heard him described as the Cuban national poet, and our article about him does not describe him as such. If I'd been asked to name a Cuban national poet, I'd have said José Martí. Does someone have a citation to back up the claim about Guillén? -- Jmabel | Talk 00:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's been several days. I've gotten no response. I'm removing. In the event that someone has citation, it is easily restored. - Jmabel | Talk 19:41, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think José Martí to be the proper national poet of Cuba, too. You find it cited everywhere. —The preceding unsigned - Billy Pilgrim (talk • contribs) 12:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Ramdhari Singh 'Dinkar'

Similarly Ramdhari Singh 'Dinkar': On what basis is he called national poet of India? - Jmabel | Talk 03:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citation

Almost completely uncited, and I suspect some of these entries are unfounded. Does someone want to take on getting some citations into this? - Jmabel | Talk 22:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fact is, you won't find many citations for National poets. They usually are considered as such in a broader meaning. i.e.: Dante is considered the national poet for my country, Italy (though that may vary considering other great poets, minors to Dante), but you won't find any official national recognition anywhere. I think this subject to be one of the most subjective on whole Wikipedia. Billy Pilgrim 12:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Singapore's National Poet

I was shocked to discover that I was supposed to be the person who put up Chandran Nair as Singapore's National Poet in Oct.(See history of the article: "12:36, 8 October 2006 Ivygohnair (Talk | contribs)"), as I only discovered the existence of the "List of National Poets" a few days ago on google search! Chandran Nair is not Singapore's National Poet and I wonder who hacked into my user account in Oct! Is this someone's idea of a sick joke?Ivygohnair 17:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's extremely unlikely a stranger could hack into your Wikipedia account, unless your password is "password" or something. Looking at the records, this was only your second edit to Wikipedia (coming 4 minutes after your first), so it's quite possible as a newcomer at the time you thought this was a "list of poets by nation", rather than a list of "national poets". Either that, or another member of your family might have been having a little fun.--Pharos 00:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spain, Chile

I see inclusions for both Spain and Chile that seem unlikely.

Cervantes is certainly a Spanish culture hero, but for prose, not poetry. Pablo Neruda is doubtless Chile's greatest poet, but I don't think he is generally recongnized as a "national poet", in particular because of his strong association with the Marxist left. No doubt, the Chilean left think of him as something like a national poet, but the right still abominate him. - Jmabel | Talk 19:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Poe

I've often heard Poe described as a great American poet, but I don't think I've ever heard him described as a "national poet". The reason?– subject matter, his work just isn't "American" enough (contrast with Whitman, whose work was very self-consciously "American"). Also, R9tgokunks, please don't call opinions you disagree with "nonsensical vandalism".--Pharos 03:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, yes Whitman was more romantic towards the nation as a whole and its system. -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 18:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is certainly no American "national poet", Whitman probably comes closest. Another who might be considered (but we are really getting off topic here, in that this is my own view rather than something citable) is Robert Frost, though he is a bit modernist, and a bit regional. Carl Sandburg certainly chased the title, but is generally not considered a poet of the first rank. Poe would not even be in the running: his poetry is personal, morbid, and narrow in range. - Jmabel | Talk 20:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Italy

The national poet of Italy is Giosuè Carducci, not Dante. --89.97.35.70 (talk) 07:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Germany

All those people are still quite known to anyone interested in literature in today's Germany but the only ones referred to as "national poets" are Goethe and Schiller. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.173.128.71 (talk) 16:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Frost

Robert Frost is certainly not the national poet of the U.S. Nothing in his article, nor in any other source mentioned here (nor indeed in any sensible interpretation of his work) considers him as potentially the "national poet." I'm removing him from the article.

128.119.194.193 (talk) 05:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rabindranath Tagore

Rabindranath Tagore is not the national poet of India. India does not have any official national poet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmajumder (talk • contribs) 13:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The contents of this article have a long way to go.

Although I voted to Keep this article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of national poets one has to admit that the contents of this article are not yet what they should be. If the don't improve they will then justify the people who call for this article's deletion. It is not enough that an editor is of the opinion that a given poet is a "national poet". As usual the burden of proof is on those who want to include a name in this list. I think there are for the moment in this list even people who are not poets in the first place. If all "national" writers are to be included then that has to be indicated in the title and the lede. I'm sceptical that Victor Hugo and (especially Charles Baudelaire) have in France a status that is equivalent to Petőfi's, Eminescu's, Pushkin's, Bialik's in their respective countries. In my opinion there is no "national poet" in France in that sense. Whatever the case may be it is the responsibility of those who make those claims to provide proof. It may also be useful to make a distinction between pre-19th c. poets from before the rise of modern nationalisms as we know them who have been a posteriori raised to the status (Homer, Shakespeare, Vondel for example) and those poets whose rise to the status is part and parcel of the process of construction of identity of the nation-state to which they belong. Contact Basemetal here 14:13, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]