Talk:National Memorial Hall (Mount Herzl)

why delet this article ?

is this article is disturbing anyone . פארוק (talk) 11:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

At the moment, this article appears to be almost complete gibberish. Although individual phrases, taken out of context, sometimes appear to be quite lucid, once one puts them together and tries to read it as a whole, it falls apart completely. The only way forward I can see for this page is to blank it entirely, and start from scratch. Perhaps you could consider copying it all out onto one of your user pages; I suggest you could create the page User:פארוק/sandbox (just click this red link to create that page), and do some major re-writing work on this article in your own space to get it to a level where it might be acceptable, and then ask for input from others to check that it's OK before bringing it back into the mainspace. Once you've got it anything like close to OK, you could try it in articles for creation, where it would get reviewed by others. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 08:06, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I really do not understand what the nonsense that you talk about. פארוק (talk) 20:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

If you believe that "The stones of the memory will suppose an innovative robot that open in particular from the technological institute of Zurich" makes sense and is clear English, then perhaps you do not have the competence in English which is necessary to edit English Wikipedia, and you would do better to concentrate on helping a Wikipedia in a language with which you are more familiar. PamD 20:58, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

the memory blocks will let a robot !!!! and not the workers who are building the rest of the memory hall, what is hard to see here. פארוק (talk) 21:58, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Since 1860?

The article currently says, "...to commemorate all military Israeli casualties of war since 1860." If it does commemorate casualties that far back, then the wording needs to be changed to something on the lines of "Zionist and Israeli casualties of war", because Israel did not exist as a state before 1948. However, the only source in the article says in the article that the memorial helps tell the story "from Holocaust to independence", meaning that it doesn't go back to 1860. Do we have any sources that can help clarify this? I have no objection to using the word "Israeli" for people involved in the immediate run-up to the establishment of Israel (i.e. post-Holocaust) but it would be anachronistic to apply it as far back as 1860. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:57, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Year 1860 marks the exit from the walls of Jerusalem and the establishment of the New Jerusalem where Jews began to establish military underground to protect the Jews who lived long before there was the State of Israel and fallen by protect the jewish homes. פארוק (talk) 18:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I understand that, but it doesn't answer the question of whether the National Memorial Hall commemorates victims that far back, and, if so, how we should refer to those people in English, a language in which readers usually understand the word "Israeli" to refer to citizens of the State of Israel established in 1948. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand what do you want. You asked me what is related to the year 1860 and I said to you that Israel commemorates all the Jews who fell "Even before the state.

the State of Israel commemorates the all the Jews since the invention of Zionism to the present. In fact the Jews exit from the walls of Jerusalem in 1851 and that year the first terrorist attack took place in Israel with the first jew who killed by arab terrorist. after than the jews began to establish military underground to protect themselves from the arabs. פארוק (talk) 18:59, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The issue here is not whether the State of Israel commemorates such victims, but whether this particular memorial does so, and whether such casualties can accurately be described by the English word "Israeli". Such questions can't be answered by your assertions, but only by references to reliable sources. The one such source currently in the article only refers to post-Holocaust casualties. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:48, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

What is so hard to understand here ? ..... the State of Israel and perpetuate the Jewish victims that were before the State of Israel. We know the names of dead Jews since the exit of the Jews outside the walls of Jerusalem. befor establish the state of israel it called: "ERETZ ISRAEL ( the land of israel )" or Palestine in your language. פארוק (talk) 20:59, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I understand you perfectly well, but what you are saying is irrelevant to this specific article about the National Memorial Hall. If you are not prepared to understand that I'm just trying to make this article accurate, rather than to get into any general discussion about the history of Jews in or around Jerusalem, then I don't think that there's much point in continuing this discussion. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand what you want. You asked me what is related to the year 1860 and I said to you that Israel is even commemorates all the Jews who fell before the foundation of the state. so what does it matter at all ? פארוק (talk) 22:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

pleas do not change to subject. the memorial structure will honor the Jewish worrior from 1860 until today. thank you ! פארוק (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Once again, the Haaretz article cited in the article says that this memorial commemorates post-holocaust casualties. If you think that it is wrong then please cite other sources saying that. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Delay to start of construction

The Israeli government approved the establishment of the Memorial Center in 2012 and construction is delayed until the court's ruling on the families of terror victims. פארוק (talk) 20:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

the eternal flame memory to the Unknown Soldiers of Israel is planned to parallel to the edge of the opening in the ceiling. פארוק (talk) 07:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that National Memorial Hall (Mount Herzl) be merged into Mount Herzl. National Memorial Hall (Mount Herzl) has very little content, and in fact, the Hall has not yet been built. I think the best way to handle this would be a merge. Beastiepaws (talk) 07:33, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Look here