Talk:Narayana Kasturi

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Notability?

I noticed this page actively linked to Sathya Sai Baba. How is this guy notable? Ekantik 18:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SSS108, How is the link to the Mick Brown's article "Divine Downfail" article labelling Kasturi's writings as a hagiography irrelevant? Andries 15:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike Babb, Brown's article is not a scholarly source. Babb's reference to Kasturi's material as "hagiographic" is more relevant and better sourced than the Brown reference. The question is: Why are you insisting on including a link that happens to pertain to the Sai Controversy to source a comment that has already been sourced to Babb's scholarly work. As a matter of fact, you enquired of TalkAbout about Babb [1] and he responded [2]. All the relevant particulars to the Babb reference have been provided and yet you demand more. Why? SSS108 ^talk-email 16:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because I have not fully read Babb and I do doubt whether it is true. I think it is relevant that a journalist independently confirmed Babb's assertion. Taking into account that there are only few reputable third-party sources for this article, I think that we should use these sources to the maximum. Andries 16:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are pushing your Anti-Sai agenda. Nobody doubts that Kasturi's series about SSB were hagiographies. It is a trivial point. You are making a mountain out of a mole-hill. What are you going to do? File another complaint? SSS108 ^talk-email 16:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

May be the reader has doubts. This is the first time that I see you admitting that Kasturi's writings are hagiographic. Please explain to me why you consider Kasturi's hagiography a good source for a biography which you have been saying many time at talk:Sathya Sai Baba. Or do you retract that? I do not what to do apart from dispute resolution when you repeatedly revert my edits, so yes, I will probably file a request for comments. Andries 16:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kasturi's hagiography (a term I have used many times before: a couple examples: [3][4]) should be used as a reference because his books are the primary ones used to discuss SSB's early life and are mentioned by scholars and even religious encyclopedias. The "hagiographic" term has been referenced to a scholarly source and I view your inclusion of Brown's article as Anti-Sai POV-pushing and will remove it for that reason. SSS108 ^talk-email 17:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, as I have been saying at least ten times, I cannot understand how a hagiography or material based on a hagiography can be used for a serious biography. Again, as I have been saying many times, I admit that Kasturi's hagiography is important to describe beliefs of the SSB movement, because stories about his youth and his miracles are an important element of the beliefs Sathya Sai Baba movement. So I think that Kasturi's poorly researched uncorroborated statements should be used for the article Sathya Sai Baba movement. Of course, it is a different matter when statements from Kasturi's hagiography are corroborated or contradicted. Andries 17:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have had this discussion with you umpteen times. Kasturi's books are not about beliefs and practices in the SSB movement and he is often sourced by scholars and religious encyclopedia's. It doesn't matter what you think about Kasturi. It doesn't matter what you think about his books. Kasturi is often sourced by reliable references. If religious encyclopedia's can cite Kasturi's works in relation to SSB life, so can Wikipedia. You are uncooperative and nothing has changed.

And I will be adding material from Kasturi's auto-biography "Loving God" to this article soon. SSS108 ^talk-email 01:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Authobiographies should be used with great care in articles. It is much better to use third-party sources, though I admit that only few are there. Andries 01:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Not to mention the fact that this particular autobiography contains far too much "waffling" (to put it politely) for it to make any sense out of it at all. For example, trying to find a proper chronology of Kasturi's life (or even his experiences with SSB) is near impossible. Ekantik ^talk 14:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess those encyclopedias had only one article where they could put the information in. Here we have two. Andries 01:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the discussion about the Brown/Telegraph is ridiculous. Ekantik ^talk 14:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Appearance of the biography Love is My Form in 2000

Love is My Form. Volume 1. The Advent (1926-1950) ^[1]]

This work expands substantially on the coverage of Kasturi's first biographical volume.

Written by a team of devotees headed by a successful Puttaparthi publisher of Sathya Sai Baba books (and ex-photographer of the guru), this was intended to be the first of a series of definitive biographies of Sathya Sai Baba and, although still basically hagiographical (and heavily dependent on Kasturi’s work on the early years), it is well researched and contains some essential new information about Sathya Sai Baba, including photostats of school register pages, and a wealth of old photographs. Some of this new material (including the photostats and photographs and the reporting of interviews with early devotees) adds to, contradicts or challenges official data, especially when taken in conjunction with other scraps of evidence available in the memoirs of early devotees of Sathya Sai Baba and one or two other writers.

Here is part of the original release note from Sai Towers in October 2000: "Sai Towers Publishing proudly announces the release of the much awaited book 'The Advent', the first volume in the series, 'LOVE IS MY FORM – A Biographical series of Sri Sathya Sai Baba'.

"Sri Sathya Sai Baba has been the most talked about avatar of the age – and perhaps the most photographed. Here is the unfolding of glorious odyssey, picking up photographs, letters and other documents along the way to relate the most enchanting life story of Baba. In the first twenty five years of the life that the book studies, a group of eminent researchers stitch together recorded history and documented interviews of contemporaries narrating landmark events and personal experiences to make the book a rare publication." Ombudswiki (talk) 01:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bangalore. Sai Towers Publishing, 2000. Large format. 600 pages, including many photographs.

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[1] Bangalore. Sai Towers Publishing, 2000. Large format. 600 pages, including many photographs.

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