Talk:Nailsea Court

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Review: February 19, 2017. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Nailsea Court appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 April 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Richard Perceval, who was born at Nailsea Court, deciphered Spanish documents for Queen Elizabeth about the Spanish Armada invasion plans?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/April.

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Over Langford Manor

Is the "Over Langford Manor" mentioned in the article from Fivehead or is it Upper Langford near Churchill?— Rod ^talk 18:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is it The Old Courthouse, Upper Langford]? It seems the most likely but might need another source to confirm.— Rod ^talk 19:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nailsea Court/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Worm That Turned (talk · contribs) 14:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
A couple of suggestions below - all sorted now.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
References are well laid out and article is generally well referenced to reliable sources. ~~However, I'm uncomfortable with the similarities with some other articles online. Details below. These will need to be re-written significantly before any GA will be passed. - just a few more to sort.~~
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
The ratio of information about the owners to information about the house leaves a little to be desired, but it's not far out of focus, so I'm happy.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
The images seem good to me, do we have one of the gardens or say, the summer house?
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
Issues below - especially the close text - must be sorted before passing this article.

Comments

Text is generally good, but I do have a few suggestions

The house is named Nailsea Court, but I don't think we should be referring to it as "the court" - either "the house" or "the estate" would be better.

I have changed these to "house" "building" or similar.— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a little tweaking to help it flow chronologically, I hope that's ok.

Fine by me.— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember the honorific titles should not generally be included, nor used to refer to individuals (WP:HONORIFIC)

I've removed "Lt Cdr " are there others I can't spot?— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"omne" - I assume this a typo for "one"?

Typo fixed.— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mind the weasel words - e.g. "believed to be Jacobean"

Early Jacobean based on source given.— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Text similiarities

http://story.theholdsworths.org.uk/album/a01/a1907mab_ref.html
Article text - Richard Perceval, who was born at Nailsea Court deciphered Spanish documents for Queen Elizabeth I about the Spanish Armada invasion plans.

Wikitext - Richard Percivale (or Perceval) who was born at Nailsea Court, later deciphered Spanish documents for Queen Elizabeth about the Spanish Armada invasion plans.

Reworded.— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article text - In 1693, the court was purchased by Nathaniel Wade. He supported James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth in the Monmouth Rebellion and was defeated at the Battle of Sedgemoor. He was condemned to death at Taunton by Judge Jefferys. After being interviewed by King James, in the Tower of London, Major Wade was pardoned and returned home to Nailsea.

Wikitext - In 1693, the court was purchased by Nathaniel Wade. He supported James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth in the Monmouth Rebellion and was defeated at the Battle of Sedgemoor. He was condemned to death at Taunton by Judge Jefferys. After being interviewed by King James, in the Tower of London, Major Wade was pardoned and returned home to Nailsea.

Reworded.— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1129104
Article text the Langford Room in the south wing has many brought-in features, including panelling from no. 18 Fore Street, Taunton, over-mantel from Upper Langford Court, fine plaster ceiling from Ashley Manor, Bristol and carved frieze, stained glass including sundial. Window to west of main range has mediaeval stained glass including picture of swan ringing a bell, as at Bishop's Palace, Wells. Dining room door, c.1590, the "Nailsea door" has large arcaded upper panel with elaborate carving on both sides. Hall has framed ceiling in 6 bays with chamfered and stopped beams, stone fireplace.

Wikitext - The Langford Room in the south wing has many brought-in features, including panelling from Judge Jeffreys' house at No 18, Fore Street, Taunton, an over-mantel together with additional panelling from Field Marshal Sir Lintorn Simmons' house at Over Langford Manor (a.k.a. The Old Courthouse or Upper Langford Court, and from which the Langford Room takes its name), a fine plaster ceiling from Ashley Manor, Bristol and a carved frieze. The dining room door, which dates from around 1590, is also known as the "Nailsea door" has large arcaded upper panel with elaborate carving on both sides. The hall has a framed ceiling in 6 bays with chamfered and stopped beams, and a stone fireplace.

Reworded.— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I should have checked for these similarities which have been introduced to the article over the years. Thanks for all your comments. If there are other issues it may be a couple of days before I can respond to them.— Rod ^talk 20:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant, thanks Rod. There's still a few more issues with close text with the first source - Earwig's tool highlights them well. Looking back, it may be that it's not an issue as the text appeared in 2009, and the earliest I can confirm the source was 2014, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. If you can re-word those parts of the history section, I'd be happy to pass the article. Worm^TT(talk) 11:32, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was a backwards copy, however I have done some further rewording.— Rod ^talk 20:15, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're likely right, but it might be that both are copied from the same source as the original 2009 source is no longer available online. At any rate, thank you for tidying that up, I'm happy to pass the article now. Worm^TT(talk) 12:54, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]